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  • AaronTurner 17 Sep 2012 17:01:59 7,886 posts
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    So apparently the OMD EM5 sensor has filtered down to the newly announced E-Pl5 and EPM2. DSLR quality for next to nothing. I think my brief flirt with the nex may be over.

    Anyone excited?

    Edited by AaronTurner at 17:02:28 17-09-2012
  • mal 17 Sep 2012 17:38:01 22,826 posts
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    I must admit I rather ignored the EM5 as it looked too much like a cheap toy camera to me (while not retailing at the price of a toy camera). What was special about its sensor?

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  • skuzzbag 17 Sep 2012 17:51:54 5,714 posts
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    Isn't it smaller than the nex sensor so not sure why it's better?
  • AaronTurner 17 Sep 2012 18:54:00 7,886 posts
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    The EM5 sensor has been shown to be extremely good in low light and has generally been considered as the sensor that has finally bridged the gap between m43 and APS-C sized sensors. The Nex is OK but I have my gripes with it, one being large lenses and another being the Sony interface. Plus I have to say that I'm not particularly impressed with the Nex kit lenses. Now that Olympus has finally upgraded its sensor I think I will head back.
  • AaronTurner 17 Sep 2012 18:56:20 7,886 posts
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    And by the way, a smaller sensor isn't always worse, it has advantages too, for instance shooting wildlife the lenses will have greater reach. The Panasonic 70-300 is a 140-600 equivalent lens, and small!
  • skuzzbag 17 Sep 2012 19:10:03 5,714 posts
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    Well kit lenses are kit lenses but the nex one is pretty good. I mean compared to something like the old canon 18-55 (piece of shit). The nex seems to be attracting people who have cupboards full of expensive vintage primes though which is definitely not me.

    Oh and regarding the sensor size I had an X10 for a few weeks and yes size when matched to a good lens definitely doesn't matter.
  • AaronTurner 17 Sep 2012 19:29:00 7,886 posts
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    No doubt the Nex is good with manual focus, why on earth didn't Olympus include focus peaking?

    But personally I find the Nex Kit lenses to be fairly poor, I have the 16mm and the 18-55. I always found the Olympus kit lenses to be incredibly sharp.
  • mal 17 Sep 2012 20:24:58 22,826 posts
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    AaronTurner wrote:
    The EM5 sensor has been shown to be extremely good in low light and has generally been considered as the sensor that has finally bridged the gap between m43 and APS-C sized sensors.
    I wasn't aware there was a gap between M4/3 and APS-C sensors. The biggest problem I had with mirrorless cameras is the lack of phase-detect AF, but that's nothing to do with the sensor. I'd always assumed the IQ of M4/3 sensors was directly comparable to APS-C sensors, other than having greater depth-of-field at the same aperture and equivalent focal length.

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  • Nth 19 Sep 2012 13:21:42 3,125 posts
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    The first generation of M4/3 were terrible for noise above ISO400, one of the reasons I got rid of all my kit. Those 2 new Pens finally have a good sensor but they're both so small they're horrible to use. Why they have 2 models anyway is a mystery. Comparing ISO performance between my EPL2 and X100 was just hilarious.
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