vizzini wrote:That probably sounded good when you wrote it, but what a load of bollocks.
Quite shocked really that Andy Murray didn't win this by an absolute landslide.
Not quite sure what he could have done more to be deserving against the two other main contenders.
Athleticism(fitness) and technique are one aspect of cycling and athletics, but to need all that, and need to work strategy in real-time with it, in a game of irresistible force meets immovable object in tennis is something much harder.
I've watched the tour and olympics/athletics on and off for decades, and even taking the individual people out of the equation, sports like tennis, football, rugby, boxing and any sport that requires continuous skill, strategy and athleticism all at once 9with stamina) rate far higher than sports that are 90% putting one foot in front of the other with whatever nature gave you (imho).
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Trane 3,714 posts
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Registered 6 years agoMaybe they could call it 'Sportsperson or sporting shag fantasy of the year'.
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Quite shocked really that Andy Murray didn't win this by an absolute landslide.
Not quite sure what he could have done more to be deserving against the two other main contenders.
Athleticism(fitness) and technique are one aspect of cycling and athletics, but to need all that, and need to work strategy in real-time with it, in a game of irresistible force meets immovable object in tennis is something much harder.
I've watched the tour and olympics/athletics on and off for decades, and even taking the individual people out of the equation, sports like tennis, football, rugby, boxing and any sport that requires continuous skill, strategy and athleticism all at once 9with stamina) rate far higher than sports that are 90% putting one foot in front of the other with whatever nature gave you (imho).vizzini wrote:
Quite shocked really that Andy Murray didn't win this by an absolute landslide.vizzini wrote:
Andy Murray didn't win this by an absolute landslidevizzini wrote:
an absolute landslidevizzini wrote:
landslide
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vizzini 985 posts
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Registered 3 years agoI'm sorry, but the “personality” characteristic is rarely the point of the competition, and is a fudge to allow comparison of apples and strawberry sports.
In all the years it regularly goes to the person considered most deserving in sporting achievement, and nothing to do with personality. Ultimately if it is just a personality contest then a footballer would win it every year, as they get far more exposure(to get across their personality) every year.
And basically Andy and many others were then on a hiding to nothing, as Sky's exposure of cycling (team sky) and BBC of Athletics stars, far outweighs many others. -
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Syrette 38,357 posts
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Yes, the media voted for the winners here. Poor old tennis gets no coverage in this country. I hope 'Andy' can get to sleep in his multi million pound mansion tonight.XBL: rolemodel86 PSN: Syrette86
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Syrette 38,357 posts
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Registered 10 years agoVizzini I hear Andy is a 360-only gamer.XBL: rolemodel86 PSN: Syrette86
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Trane 3,714 posts
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Please tell me, how much Team Sky cycling is actually shown on Sky TV?
And basically Andy and many others were then on a hiding to nothing, as Sky's exposure of cycling (team sky) and BBC of Athletics stars, far outweighs many others.
Murray gets far more media time throughout the year in the UK than any athletics stars
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Sounds like quite the handicap.
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Registered 1 year agovizzini wrote:
It's being saved for his Wimbledon win.
Quite shocked really that Andy Murray didn't win this by an absolute landslide.
Not quite sure what he could have done more to be deserving against the two other main contenders.
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Registered 4 years ago@Trane I should've quoted what I was replying to, which was saying the 5000k & 10,000K were harder than the Heptathlon, as well as tennis & cycling. Those running events are obviously hard, but they are the same discipline basically, and held a week apart.
The money comes into it in my mind in terms of how hard it is to be supported while training. As you say, athletes cannot command as much money from sponsors (except maybe a few of those who have already triumphed) - this can make it harder to persevere towards their goals.Playing all the right notes— but not necessarily in the right order.
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because he looks like an oasis reject. and his po faced wife as well i'd like to give her a good slap
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Registered 6 years agoI think Wiggins is a very deserving winner. Winning the TdF is a momentous achievement in its own right, then to win Olympic gold on top is fantastic.
He's obviously devoted to his sport 100%, doesn't want to play the media game and is probably happiest chasing a daft pace in NW England.
Godd luck to him I say. I just hope he can keep a level head among all the pressures and doesn't end up selling his soul to advertise hair gel or something.Fiat Lux
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Trowel 15,026 posts
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Registered 10 years agoFairly comfortable victory:
Total votes: 1,626,718
1. Bradley Wiggins 492,064 (30.25%)
2. Jessica Ennis 372,765 (22.92%)
3. Andy Murray 230,444 (14.17%)
4. Mo Farah 131,327 (8.07%)
5. David Weir 114,633 (7.05%)
6. Ellie Simmonds 102,894 (6.33%)
7. Sir Chris Hoy 42,961 (2.64%)
8. Nicola Adams 35,560 (2.19%)
9. Ben Ainslie 35,373 (2.17%)
10. Rory McIlroy 29,729 (1.83%)
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Registered 6 years agoWhy was Ennis higher than, say, Grainger?
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Registered 5 years agoRedSparrows wrote:
I'd say Katherine Grainger has a better story with her 'always the bridesmaid' with winning silvers, and the final redemption of geting a gold, but let's face it, to your average member of the public, rowing is very much a minority sport. Admittedly, most folk will know of Steve Redgrave, and may even watch the boat race.
Why was Ennis higher than, say, Grainger?
Same medal, etc.
'personality' my arse.
Jessica Ennis was the poster girl of the Olympics and was very much to the fore of any coverage of it, so was bound to be more favoured by most of the voting public.
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Sure. Sums up why it's a stupid award.RedSparrows wrote:
I'd say Katherine Grainger has a better story with her 'always the bridesmaid' with winning silvers, and the final redemption of geting a gold, but let's face it, to your average member of the public, rowing is very much a minority sport. Admittedly, most folk will know of Steve Redgrave, and may even watch the boat race.
Why was Ennis higher than, say, Grainger?
Same medal, etc.
'personality' my arse.
Jessica Ennis was the poster girl of the Olympics and was very much to the fore of any coverage of it, so was bound to be more favoured by most of the voting public.
Regardless, the right person won it IMO.
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I'm pleased there were no footballers on the shortlist. It's been a depressing year for football -- racism, cheating, all sorts of nonsense.
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Pleasing to see Ellie Simmonds come that high up.
Fairly comfortable victory:
Total votes: 1,626,718
1. Bradley Wiggins 492,064 (30.25%)
2. Jessica Ennis 372,765 (22.92%)
3. Andy Murray 230,444 (14.17%)
4. Mo Farah 131,327 (8.07%)
5. David Weir 114,633 (7.05%)
6. Ellie Simmonds 102,894 (6.33%)
7. Sir Chris Hoy 42,961 (2.64%)
8. Nicola Adams 35,560 (2.19%)
9. Ben Ainslie 35,373 (2.17%)
10. Rory McIlroy 29,729 (1.83%)
11. Katherine Grainger 28,626 (1.76%)
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Registered 4 years agoRedSparrows wrote:
She smashed the British Heptathlon record to attain the 5th highest score in history. In her first Olympics. While carrying the weight of the "face of the Olympics" bollocks. Also did really well at the World Indoor (Silver) and other meets this year. She's a superstar all-rounder.
Why was Ennis higher than, say, Grainger?
Same medal, etc.
'personality' my arse.
Edited by localnotail at 10:25:30 17-12-2012Playing all the right notes— but not necessarily in the right order.
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RedSparrows wrote:
She smashed the British Heptathlon record to attain the 5th highest score in history. In her first Olympics. While carrying the weight of the "face of the Olympics" bollocks. Also did really well at the World Indoor (Silver) and other meets this year. She's a superstar all-rounder.
Why was Ennis higher than, say, Grainger?
Same medal, etc.
'personality' my arse.
All that plus she is gracious, charming, personable and has abs you could grate cheese on.
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Registered 4 years agoI think the overseas award should have gone to Alex Zanardi, a true sportsman and a gent.
Instead they gave it to someone who does a bit of running, just because he does a funny shape afterwardshttp://www.scottyslittlesoldiers.co.uk/
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Did anyone seriously think Murray was going to win?
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