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  • Trane 17 Dec 2012 01:30:08 4,049 posts
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    vizzini wrote:
    Quite shocked really that Andy Murray didn't win this by an absolute landslide.

    Not quite sure what he could have done more to be deserving against the two other main contenders.

    Athleticism(fitness) and technique are one aspect of cycling and athletics, but to need all that, and need to work strategy in real-time with it, in a game of irresistible force meets immovable object in tennis is something much harder.

    I've watched the tour and olympics/athletics on and off for decades, and even taking the individual people out of the equation, sports like tennis, football, rugby, boxing and any sport that requires continuous skill, strategy and athleticism all at once 9with stamina) rate far higher than sports that are 90% putting one foot in front of the other with whatever nature gave you (imho).
    That probably sounded good when you wrote it, but what a load of bollocks.
  • disusedgenius 17 Dec 2012 01:30:16 5,140 posts
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    The name of the award does somewhat revolve around the world 'personality', mind. Not just 'person who can swing their arms around the fastest'.
  • Bremenacht 17 Dec 2012 01:34:48 15,753 posts
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    Maybe they could call it 'Sportsperson or sporting shag fantasy of the year'.

    Edited by Bremenacht at 01:37:02 17-12-2012

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  • Syrette 17 Dec 2012 01:36:45 41,802 posts
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    vizzini wrote:
    Quite shocked really that Andy Murray didn't win this by an absolute landslide.

    Not quite sure what he could have done more to be deserving against the two other main contenders.

    Athleticism(fitness) and technique are one aspect of cycling and athletics, but to need all that, and need to work strategy in real-time with it, in a game of irresistible force meets immovable object in tennis is something much harder.

    I've watched the tour and olympics/athletics on and off for decades, and even taking the individual people out of the equation, sports like tennis, football, rugby, boxing and any sport that requires continuous skill, strategy and athleticism all at once 9with stamina) rate far higher than sports that are 90% putting one foot in front of the other with whatever nature gave you (imho).
    vizzini wrote:
    Quite shocked really that Andy Murray didn't win this by an absolute landslide.


    vizzini wrote:
    Andy Murray didn't win this by an absolute landslide


    vizzini wrote:
    an absolute landslide


    vizzini wrote:
    landslide



    vizzini




    Edited by Syrette at 01:37:30 17-12-2012

  • Deleted user 17 December 2012 01:36:47
    I'm sorry, but the “personality” characteristic is rarely the point of the competition, and is a fudge to allow comparison of apples and strawberry sports.

    In all the years it regularly goes to the person considered most deserving in sporting achievement, and nothing to do with personality. Ultimately if it is just a personality contest then a footballer would win it every year, as they get far more exposure(to get across their personality) every year.

    And basically Andy and many others were then on a hiding to nothing, as Sky's exposure of cycling (team sky) and BBC of Athletics stars, far outweighs many others.
  • Bremenacht 17 Dec 2012 01:38:20 15,753 posts
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    Andy who?

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  • Syrette 17 Dec 2012 01:39:18 41,802 posts
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    @vizzini

    Yes, the media voted for the winners here. Poor old tennis gets no coverage in this country. I hope 'Andy' can get to sleep in his multi million pound mansion tonight.

  • Syrette 17 Dec 2012 01:40:32 41,802 posts
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    Vizzini I hear Andy is a 360-only gamer.

  • Trane 17 Dec 2012 01:44:27 4,049 posts
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    vizzini wrote:
    And basically Andy and many others were then on a hiding to nothing, as Sky's exposure of cycling (team sky) and BBC of Athletics stars, far outweighs many others.
    Please tell me, how much Team Sky cycling is actually shown on Sky TV?

    Murray gets far more media time throughout the year in the UK than any athletics stars

    Edited by Trane at 01:44:50 17-12-2012

    Edited by Trane at 01:45:16 17-12-2012
  • Trane 17 Dec 2012 01:44:35 4,049 posts
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  • disusedgenius 17 Dec 2012 02:02:15 5,140 posts
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    vizzini wrote:
    Ultimately if it is just a personality contest then a footballer would win it every year, as they get far more exposure(to get across their personality) every year.
    Sounds like quite the handicap.
  • Armoured_Bear 17 Dec 2012 02:09:34 8,746 posts
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    vizzini wrote:
    Quite shocked really that Andy Murray didn't win this by an absolute landslide.

    Not quite sure what he could have done more to be deserving against the two other main contenders.

    It's being saved for his Wimbledon win.

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  • localnotail 17 Dec 2012 03:52:06 23,093 posts
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    @Trane I should've quoted what I was replying to, which was saying the 5000k & 10,000K were harder than the Heptathlon, as well as tennis & cycling. Those running events are obviously hard, but they are the same discipline basically, and held a week apart.

    The money comes into it in my mind in terms of how hard it is to be supported while training. As you say, athletes cannot command as much money from sponsors (except maybe a few of those who have already triumphed) - this can make it harder to persevere towards their goals.

    A strange game. The only winning move is not to play.

  • THFourteen 17 Dec 2012 08:06:22 31,798 posts
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    danathjo wrote:
    So why does everyone think Wiggins is a cock now? What have I missed?

    Always seemed like a pretty funny guy to me, a lot more entertaining than the majority of 'media trained' athletes anyway.
    because he looks like an oasis reject. and his po faced wife as well i'd like to give her a good slap
  • Lotos8ter 17 Dec 2012 08:38:13 2,324 posts
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    I think Wiggins is a very deserving winner. Winning the TdF is a momentous achievement in its own right, then to win Olympic gold on top is fantastic.
    He's obviously devoted to his sport 100%, doesn't want to play the media game and is probably happiest chasing a daft pace in NW England.

    Godd luck to him I say. I just hope he can keep a level head among all the pressures and doesn't end up selling his soul to advertise hair gel or something.

    Fiat Lux

  • Trowel 17 Dec 2012 08:46:51 16,847 posts
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    Fairly comfortable victory:

    Total votes: 1,626,718
    1. Bradley Wiggins 492,064 (30.25%)
    2. Jessica Ennis 372,765 (22.92%)
    3. Andy Murray 230,444 (14.17%)
    4. Mo Farah 131,327 (8.07%)
    5. David Weir 114,633 (7.05%)
    6. Ellie Simmonds 102,894 (6.33%)
    7. Sir Chris Hoy 42,961 (2.64%)
    8. Nicola Adams 35,560 (2.19%)
    9. Ben Ainslie 35,373 (2.17%)
    10. Rory McIlroy 29,729 (1.83%)
    11. Katherine Grainger 28,626 (1.76%)
    12. Sarah Storey 10,342 (0.64%)
  • Vortex808 17 Dec 2012 09:31:47 6,554 posts
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    I'm really surprised that Mo Farah only got 8% of the vote!

    I thought it'd be Wiggo, Ennis, Farah.
  • RedSparrows 17 Dec 2012 09:32:34 20,753 posts
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    Why was Ennis higher than, say, Grainger?

    Same medal, etc.

    'personality' my arse.
  • sport 17 Dec 2012 09:35:12 12,045 posts
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    Ennis for "Rear of the Year" \o/
  • Vortex808 17 Dec 2012 09:40:29 6,554 posts
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    RedSparrows wrote:
    Why was Ennis higher than, say, Grainger?

    Same medal, etc.

    'personality' my arse.
    I'd say Katherine Grainger has a better story with her 'always the bridesmaid' with winning silvers, and the final redemption of geting a gold, but let's face it, to your average member of the public, rowing is very much a minority sport. Admittedly, most folk will know of Steve Redgrave, and may even watch the boat race.

    Jessica Ennis was the poster girl of the Olympics and was very much to the fore of any coverage of it, so was bound to be more favoured by most of the voting public.

    Regardless, the right person won it IMO.
  • craigy Senior UI Designer, Gamer Network 17 Dec 2012 09:41:07 7,386 posts
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    Murray would be a shoo-in if it were the Dead-Eyed Depressing Sports Robot of the Year award.
  • RedSparrows 17 Dec 2012 09:42:36 20,753 posts
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    Vortex808 wrote:
    RedSparrows wrote:
    Why was Ennis higher than, say, Grainger?

    Same medal, etc.

    'personality' my arse.
    I'd say Katherine Grainger has a better story with her 'always the bridesmaid' with winning silvers, and the final redemption of geting a gold, but let's face it, to your average member of the public, rowing is very much a minority sport. Admittedly, most folk will know of Steve Redgrave, and may even watch the boat race.

    Jessica Ennis was the poster girl of the Olympics and was very much to the fore of any coverage of it, so was bound to be more favoured by most of the voting public.

    Regardless, the right person won it IMO.
    Sure. Sums up why it's a stupid award.

    /rebelrebel
  • craigy Senior UI Designer, Gamer Network 17 Dec 2012 09:58:33 7,386 posts
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    I'm pleased there were no footballers on the shortlist. It's been a depressing year for football -- racism, cheating, all sorts of nonsense.
  • Fourwisemen 17 Dec 2012 10:03:44 120 posts
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    Trowel wrote:
    Fairly comfortable victory:

    Total votes: 1,626,718
    1. Bradley Wiggins 492,064 (30.25%)
    2. Jessica Ennis 372,765 (22.92%)
    3. Andy Murray 230,444 (14.17%)
    4. Mo Farah 131,327 (8.07%)
    5. David Weir 114,633 (7.05%)
    6. Ellie Simmonds 102,894 (6.33%)
    7. Sir Chris Hoy 42,961 (2.64%)
    8. Nicola Adams 35,560 (2.19%)
    9. Ben Ainslie 35,373 (2.17%)
    10. Rory McIlroy 29,729 (1.83%)
    11. Katherine Grainger 28,626 (1.76%)
    12. Sarah Storey 10,342 (0.64%)
    Pleasing to see Ellie Simmonds come that high up.
  • localnotail 17 Dec 2012 10:22:20 23,093 posts
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    RedSparrows wrote:
    Why was Ennis higher than, say, Grainger?

    Same medal, etc.

    'personality' my arse.
    She smashed the British Heptathlon record to attain the 5th highest score in history. In her first Olympics. While carrying the weight of the "face of the Olympics" bollocks. Also did really well at the World Indoor (Silver) and other meets this year. She's a superstar all-rounder.

    Edited by localnotail at 10:25:30 17-12-2012

    A strange game. The only winning move is not to play.

  • sport 17 Dec 2012 10:30:55 12,045 posts
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    But local, 5th is simply the 4th best loser.
  • nickthegun 17 Dec 2012 10:33:06 55,848 posts
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    localnotail wrote:
    RedSparrows wrote:
    Why was Ennis higher than, say, Grainger?

    Same medal, etc.

    'personality' my arse.
    She smashed the British Heptathlon record to attain the 5th highest score in history. In her first Olympics. While carrying the weight of the "face of the Olympics" bollocks. Also did really well at the World Indoor (Silver) and other meets this year. She's a superstar all-rounder.

    All that plus she is gracious, charming, personable and has abs you could grate cheese on.

    I am sat outside her house as I type this.

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  • Spunkweazle 17 Dec 2012 11:45:44 470 posts
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    I think the overseas award should have gone to Alex Zanardi, a true sportsman and a gent.
    Instead they gave it to someone who does a bit of running, just because he does a funny shape afterwards

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  • thelzdking 17 Dec 2012 11:58:38 3,955 posts
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    Did anyone seriously think Murray was going to win?
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