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  • Deleted user 31 August 2012 21:19:15
    Personally I am against remakes. Maybe your views differ.

    Scarface (1983). Today I read they are remaking Scarface. What is the point ? What is the point in taking a classic film and remaking it. They stand no chance of improving over the original.

    It gets worse. Today I was speaking to someone about the Scarface remake, and they told me there are plans to remake Jaws (1975). Have studio’s really reached the point where they have no original ideas, and remaking great films offers some sort of financial return ?
  • Luckyjim 31 Aug 2012 21:22:06 2,869 posts
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    Scarface (1983) is already a remake.
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    :D
  • Zappanale 31 Aug 2012 21:32:26 83 posts
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    If Back to the Future were to be remade set in the present day, McFly would travel back to the time the trilogy was originally set. The remake is, therefore, inevitable, I'm afraid.

    True Grit, though, man, that's a good remake. Much closer to the novel. For starters, the new version got the damn season of the year right.
  • disusedgenius 31 Aug 2012 21:34:19 5,195 posts
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    For a second there I thought the OP was being ironic and Jaws was also a remake...
  • neilka 31 Aug 2012 21:36:41 15,623 posts
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    I'm not sure I give a shit (2012)
  • MrE26 31 Aug 2012 23:40:32 1,918 posts
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    Depends. If someone genuinely has a new & interesting take on something, then fair enough. If it's just a cash-in to capitalise on the name, don't bother.
  • drhcnip 31 Aug 2012 23:43:16 2,432 posts
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    i'm against remakes when they're shite american cash-in remakes of (mostly) european films that i love....mostly exemplified by the waste of space that is quarantine...
  • CosmicFuzz 1 Sep 2012 01:03:28 23,084 posts
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    Nothing wrong with remakes. Original is still there. Often remakes are better than the original. Plus it gets the name out there and people may check out the old one who never would have before.

    Also :D at your use of Scarface as an example.

    Excellent remakes:

    Scarface
    The Fly
    True Grit
    3:10 to Yuma
    Cape Fear
    Casino Royale
    The Departed
    The Thing (Carpenter)

    Even The Lion King is pretty much Hamlet. So yeah. Give remakes a break.

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  • angerisagift 1 Sep 2012 01:20:01 1,947 posts
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    I'm broadly in agreement with the general consensus of this thread thus far. However today I watched Total Recall (2012).

    I think I just changed my mind.

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  • beastmaster 1 Sep 2012 01:58:55 11,144 posts
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    Total Recall remake is so bad not even lovely Kate can save it.

    Plenty more to come. Ryan Reynolds IS Highlander.

    The Resident Evil films. I'm one of the reasons they keep making them.

  • mal 1 Sep 2012 02:42:46 22,332 posts
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    CosmicFuzz wrote:
    Excellent remakes:

    Scarface
    The Fly
    True Grit
    3:10 to Yuma
    Cape Fear
    Casino Royale
    The Departed
    The Thing (Carpenter)

    Even The Lion King is pretty much Hamlet. So yeah. Give remakes a break.
    I've only seen two of your list in both their original form and the 'remake' but in those cases, the latter film with the same title usually bares only a passing resemblance to the original. The Cronenberg Fly for example reuses the core ideas of the teleportation machine and the mutation with a fly, but the resultant creature in the original is merely a fly-sized fly with a (poorly superimposed) human face, rather than the grotesque Brundlefly who IIRC uses the machine multiple times to achieve his final transformation, and outside of those core ideas the plots and characters are rather different. The original Casino Royale is an extravagant send-up of Bond films (of the time) while the new one is a cgi fest with actually a more coherent storyline than the earlier messy satire. Any similarity comes from the fact both films are (very loosely) based on the same book, though not having read the book I can't tell you if the later film references anything from the original film not in the book.

    The Hamlet->Lion King comparison is to my mind more valid, since you've largely got the same characters there (but with different names) and many of the key plot elements that propel the story.

    It might make more sense to consider some of the films above as reboots rather than remakes, taking a handful of the original elements and spinning them into a new film. You could add the King Kong reboots to that list, of which I'm aware of two.

    The Invasion of the Body Snatchers films, of which there are apparently four (I've only seen the first two, as well as a TV series) are closer to being remakes than anything else, but still, each film takes the original book and films and develops something significant. The original film allegedly makes the original book's plot (which I've not read) more scientifically coherent, and adds a denouement where the principal characters confront the pod people and have a reasoned argument with them. It also to my mind carries anti-communist overtones in that discussion, though I'm aware that interpretation is open to debate still. The 70s version adds concepts from the era of a social underground, celebrity psychoanalysts, and what is now known as the Capgras delusion. It also adds a lot of extra scenes and a few extra characters (although I guess the majority of them simply support the core plot, rather than changing it). The two films push very different buttons in me when I watch them, but I guess a lot of that is simply down to the style of cinema when they were made.

    Edited by mal at 02:46:36 01-09-2012

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  • President_Weasel 1 Sep 2012 03:33:14 8,927 posts
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    the Taking of Pelham 123 remake and the Get Carter remake are big piles of shit.

    For shame, Hollywood.
  • nickthegun 1 Sep 2012 07:33:43 58,782 posts
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    I think putting casino royale on a list of remakes is going a bit far.

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  • Deleted user 1 September 2012 13:16:56
    Luckyjim wrote:
    Scarface (1983) is already a remake.
    Thanks for the heads up on Scarface (1983) being a remake. Obviously the previous film(s) had little to no impact. Maybe I should have titled the thread Remakes of Classic Films (great films that do not require remakes).

    Either way you look at it, I doubt the Scarface Remake to come close to Scarface (1983).

    I can think of two types of remake. The Remake that copies a film scene for scene, and a Remake that bases itself on the Story that the original was based on.

    Let Me In (2010) from what I have seen and read is a totally pointless film based on Let The Right One In (2008)
  • Deleted user 1 September 2012 16:05:06
    blacksea wrote:
    Obviously the previous film(s) had little to no impact.
    It was critically acclaimed and preserved in the National Film Registry as a work of significant importance. It's regularly on "best of all time" lists, especially gangster movie lists, as it ostensibly influenced the entire genre.
  • graysonavich 1 Sep 2012 16:57:32 7,309 posts
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    Maybe they could remake you with a brain.
  • Dirtbox 1 Sep 2012 16:57:38 77,454 posts
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    blacksea wrote:
    Let Me In (2010) from what I have seen and read is a totally pointless film based on Let The Right One In (2008)
    Same goes for REC, The Grudge, The Ring and so on and on. The point being they don't have subtitles so the American audience can follow the film. It's hardly a singular occurrence.

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  • beastmaster 1 Sep 2012 17:02:48 11,144 posts
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    Actually, those remakes were not that bad. I saw them first before going on to watch the originals.

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  • von_Doll 1 Sep 2012 17:04:17 2,104 posts
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    I dunno, I think thanks to the advent of 'home video' we forget how old some of these movies that get remade are.

    I mean, Total Recall is over twenty years old; there's a whole generation clipping at our heels who never have and may never see the original.


    Obviously the previous film(s) had little to no impact. Maybe I should have titled the thread Remakes of Classic Films (great films that do not require remakes).
    Nah, there were probably saying that about the trend for remaking pulp fifties stuff in the late seventies and eighties. The point is that you never saw the original Scarface, it has no inherent significance to you and you'd rather identify with the remake which you see as more relevant to your personal tastes.

    They remade Total Recall for this generation's you.
  • Trowel 1 Sep 2012 17:09:28 17,424 posts
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    To be fair, the original Scarface is a completely different film to the Pacino version.
  • nickthegun 1 Sep 2012 17:15:19 58,782 posts
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    The yank version of let the right one on is actually very good, to be fair.

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  • Dirtbox 1 Sep 2012 17:16:21 77,454 posts
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    beastmaster wrote:
    Actually, those remakes were not that bad. I saw them first before going on to watch the originals.
    Because they're shot-for-shot remakes with a much larger budget for the most part. It's not hard to make a good film if you copy the original verbatim.

    Edited by Dirtbox at 17:33:46 01-09-2012

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  • Deleted user 1 September 2012 18:05:48
    von_Doll wrote:
    I dunno, I think thanks to the advent of 'home video' we forget how old some of these movies that get remade are.

    I mean, Total Recall is over twenty years old; there's a whole generation clipping at our heels who never have and may never see the original.


    Obviously the previous film(s) had little to no impact. Maybe I should have titled the thread Remakes of Classic Films (great films that do not require remakes).
    Nah, there were probably saying that about the trend for remaking pulp fifties stuff in the late seventies and eighties. The point is that you never saw the original Scarface, it has no inherent significance to you and you'd rather identify with the remake which you see as more relevant to your personal tastes.

    They remade Total Recall for this generation's you.
    I read a review of the Total Recall remake this Friday. They gave it 2/5 and said something along the lines of, remaking Arnold Schwarzenegger films is a bad idea, as he adds so much to most of his films. While the review did not mention the title of the other film, they hinted that Total Recall was the 2nd Arnold Schwarzenegger remake.
  • Deleted user 1 September 2012 18:07:51
    nickthegun wrote:
    The yank version of let the right one on is actually very good, to be fair.
    The original Swedish version is very good. I have not seen the US remake. This video doesn't make me want to:
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aoIJzsyTxJg&feature=youtu.be

    Bigger budget doesn't mean a better film. The CG looks v.bad,

    Edited by blacksea at 18:09:30 01-09-2012
  • Mike1980 1 Sep 2012 18:16:49 296 posts
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    "it's funny that they only remake good films. Why not remake a bad one into a good one"
    Dunno who said it. Food for thought tho...
  • mal 1 Sep 2012 18:31:03 22,332 posts
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    If we're counting The Fly, the original is pretty rubbish in my book, while the 80s version is a pop culture masterpiece.

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  • Derblington 1 Sep 2012 18:41:00 21,261 posts
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    blacksea wrote:
    nickthegun wrote:
    The yank version of let the right one on is actually very good, to be fair.
    The original Swedish version is very good. I have not seen the US remake. This video doesn't make me want to:
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aoIJzsyTxJg&feature=youtu.be

    Bigger budget doesn't mean a better film. The CG looks v.bad,
    Each new post implies you know less and less about the topic you've chosen to discuss.
  • Deleted user 1 September 2012 19:40:43
    Derblington wrote:
    blacksea wrote:
    nickthegun wrote:
    The yank version of let the right one on is actually very good, to be fair.
    The original Swedish version is very good. I have not seen the US remake. This video doesn't make me want to:
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aoIJzsyTxJg&feature=youtu.be

    Bigger budget doesn't mean a better film. The CG looks v.bad,
    Each new post implies you know less and less about the topic you've chosen to discuss.
    I could see the remake. I don't see the point. The YouTube video makes that quite clear.
  • craigy Staff 1 Sep 2012 19:59:26 7,492 posts
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    Here's a worthwhile remake: Fincher's The Girl with the Dragon Tattoo. The original movie is wonky, low-budget, and made for TV. The remake is one with real visual flair, a lovely soundtrack, and has a great opening credit sequence. It needed a better director and budget to do the material justice.

    What about Ocean's Eleven? The Maltese Falcon? Dawn of the Dead?
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