CPU cooler problem

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  • whatthefu 21 Aug 2012 16:52:51 878 posts
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    I recently reinstalled the stock cooler on my phenom ll x4 965 as I had been having problems with gaming performance, and this fixed it.
    I was using a Xigmatek HDT-S963, which according to my research before purchase and some overclocking benchmark is fine for this 125w processor.

    The stock cooler had pre applied thermal paste, so its possible I had applied the paste for the hdt incorrectly. Is it worth buying some Arctic Silver 5 paste and trying again? Is this cooler definitely good enough or should I buy the Arctic Freezer 13?
    After all the trouble I don't want to just go back to the noisy stock cooler. If I mess it up again though the preapplied paste on the stock cooler will need replaced I think.

    Thanks
  • Dirtbox 21 Aug 2012 16:57:05 79,217 posts
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    You only need a smear of paste, it's job is to seal the contact between the HSF and the CPU, not act like some sort of gooey buffer between the two.

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  • whatthefu 21 Aug 2012 17:06:27 878 posts
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    I didn't really put a great deal of paste on. I also tried installing it with a little fresh paste twice.
  • Dirtbox 21 Aug 2012 17:15:05 79,217 posts
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    Then the problem is with the cooler. Paste doesn't really amount to much unless it's a complete balls up.

    It's more likely to be the overclock than anything though.

    Edited by Dirtbox at 17:33:05 21-08-2012

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  • whatthefu 21 Aug 2012 17:50:42 878 posts
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    Thanks, ordered the Freezer 13.
  • whatthefu 25 Aug 2012 03:57:38 878 posts
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    Well the Freezer 13, which is supposed to support AM3 and up to 200w processors, seemingly doesnt cool my phenom ll x4 965 adequately.
    Earlier today games ran fine when I had the stock cooler running, since I installed the Freezer it is back to stuttering badly for intermittent periods, like with the xigmatek.
    According to the temp gauge, the max temp was 57c, while with the stock cooler it reached upto 62c - but stock ran ok.

    Really have no idea, just cant seem to get this thing working and quiet!
  • Dirtbox 25 Aug 2012 04:08:23 79,217 posts
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    As I said, stop trying to overclock it.

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  • Deleted user 25 August 2012 04:11:25
    Indeed, unless you're an emulation nerd like me there's almost no need to overclock other than wave your e-penis in front of a bunch fat sweaty nerds who've never managed to undo a bra.
  • whatthefu 25 Aug 2012 12:54:58 878 posts
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    But... its not overclocked lol.
    In my first post I just said i read a review of the xigmatek cooler and its supposedly adequate for overclocking. Yet mine stutters at stock speed when gaming. Even with the Freezer 13.

    Cant understand how the freezer can be cooler than the stock HSF but the stuttering is back.
  • Fake_Blood 25 Aug 2012 13:30:01 4,469 posts
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    What's the airflow in your case like?
    It might not be the cpu that's stuttering.
  • whatthefu 25 Aug 2012 13:53:04 878 posts
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    Fake_Blood wrote:
    What's the airflow in your case like?
    It might not be the cpu that's stuttering.
    Probably not great, its got no case fans and is sat under a table and at the corner of two walls.
    But even so, the stock cooler was used in the same space and it ran ok :(
  • whatthefu 25 Aug 2012 15:39:47 878 posts
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    Does the fan on the HSF suck cool air in over the heat pipes? (or blow hot air away?)
    The difference between the two aftermarket coolers and the stock is their orientation. Aftermarkets are perpendicular to the cpu and the stock is parallel with the cpu.

    Could this be causing an airflow problem?
  • whatthefu 25 Aug 2012 17:32:44 878 posts
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    Never used case fans before; there is a four pin connector on the mobo, near the CPU and similar to the cpu fan connector.
    Would this be the case fan power connection?

    Theres no room inside the case to mount the case fan due to the massive Freezer 13, can you mount it lower down, around/below where the gfx card is? Theres also a vent on the case down there.
  • whatthefu 26 Aug 2012 13:42:40 878 posts
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    Do the case fans have to be mounted by screws? Or can you get ones that mount with suction cups or anything?
    There are screw holes on one of the vents but its just under 8cm across, so I would worry that an 80mm fan wouldnt fit just right re screws.
    This vent with the screw holes is right where the freezer 13 is, so theres no room inside the case, the only option would be to mount it on the outside of the case. I'm not sure that sounds like a good idea
  • Fake_Blood 26 Aug 2012 13:51:11 4,469 posts
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    Dude can you post some pics of the inside of the case or something?
  • Dirtbox 25 Nov 2014 03:44:44 79,217 posts
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    Necrobump.

    So recently I've been having overheating problems and found that the heat transfer paste had dried up, the CPU was idling at 50C and it set the overheating alarm off regularly (a really annoying buzz). I replaced the paste with oil paint that's pigmented with titanium dioxide on a hunch that it might work pretty well and fuck me if it doesn't idle at 26C now. I've never seen a CPU run that cool ever.

    I've stumbled on the best heat transfer paste I've ever heard of and it's dirt cheap and available anywhere that sells art supplies.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Titanium_dioxide

    Edited by Dirtbox at 04:28:29 25-11-2014

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  • Phattso Moderator 25 Nov 2014 06:36:38 13,961 posts
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    When heated, isn't that an industrial acid. IT'S GOING TO MELT YOUR CPU!

    I wonder what its longevity is?
  • Rodpad 25 Nov 2014 07:01:13 2,107 posts
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    Mine idles at 24ish with Arctic MX-4 paste under a Noctua NH-D14.

    4am Thermal paste experiments...were you drunk?
  • dfunked 25 Nov 2014 07:58:40 673 posts
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    Some stock coolers are just plain crap... The one that came with my 2600K was utterly useless (idle temps of 50 and maxxing out at 90ish) with the standard square of pre-applied paste and any other paste I tried reapplying with.
    Got a hyper-212 and it was truly a night and day difference with temperatures

    Edited by dfunked at 07:59:01 25-11-2014
  • Sharzam 25 Nov 2014 08:01:11 3,383 posts
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    I imagine alot of time and money goes into research of thermal pastes given how everything runs on computers. So i would be rather surprised if some oil paint or random compound did the job better.

    It might do in a pinch, like how using the wrong oil in your car would work. But I wouldn't want it long term. You can get a small tube of something like Arctic silver for 1 from Amazon.

    Edited by Sharzam at 08:02:14 25-11-2014

    Known as 'Sharzam' in 98.5% of games

  • Dirtbox 25 Nov 2014 08:24:12 79,217 posts
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    Rodpad wrote:
    Mine idles at 24ish with Arctic MX-4 paste under a Noctua NH-D14.

    4am Thermal paste experiments...were you drunk?
    That's the paste I was using before, it's very average and amusingly on par with mayonnaise. As to why I was up, I don't work for a UK company.

    Sharzam wrote:
    I imagine alot of time and money goes into research of thermal pastes given how everything runs on computers. So i would be rather surprised if some oil paint or random compound did the job better.
    I wasn't sure if you were capable of surprise, but prepare to feel some of it.



    Edited by Dirtbox at 08:25:05 25-11-2014

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  • Bowzer43 25 Nov 2014 08:31:44 650 posts
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    @Dirtbox so chocolate is a very poor thermal compound but toothpaste works well, who'd have guessed! :D
  • PearOfAnguish 25 Nov 2014 09:12:42 7,501 posts
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    Dan Rutter did a similar thing a while back, using Vegemite and toothpaste.
  • THFourteen 25 Nov 2014 10:53:47 34,491 posts
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    My noctua needs repasting.

    Too lazy to get round to it
  • neems 25 Nov 2014 11:12:44 1,475 posts
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    Or just lap it and forego the paste entirely.

    I say 'just', it's not like I could do it.
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