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  • oceanmotion 28 Oct 2012 20:24:29 15,971 posts
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    My sister surprisingly bought one over the weekend so hopefully I'll get a look. She needed a new laptop on her travels and was considering an iPad but then saw Surface. The touch cover caught her eye first, later on with Office included. She did think it was Windows 8 though but I pointed out it was restricted with an App store like iPad but she said as long as the desktop is there with folders, along with Office and she can plug in her camera and printers it will be perfectly fine. Best of both worlds. Good price for something so sleek.
  • Anthony_UK 28 Oct 2012 20:32:43 2,507 posts
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    Just posted this in the windows 8 thread but this looked extremely good today in Curry's

    http://www.pcpro.co.uk/blogs/2012/10/24/asus-vivobook-s200-and-vivobook-s400-review-first-look/

    i3 Processor, full windows 8, touch screen, 500gb HD for 450
  • Ror1984 29 Oct 2012 10:33:10 3,428 posts
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    My Surface just arrived \o/

    It looks and feels so much thinner than it appears in images. And they weren't kidding about the sound the touch cover makes in that ad.

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  • mcmonkeyplc 30 Oct 2012 09:54:16 39,460 posts
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    So @Ror1984 what are your first thoughts?

    Come and get it cumslingers!

  • mcmonkeyplc 30 Oct 2012 09:54:24 39,460 posts
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    Come and get it cumslingers!

  • mcmonkeyplc 31 Oct 2012 13:10:35 39,460 posts
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    The review on the front page is errm interesting when taken into context with reviews by basically every other tech site on the internet.

    Come and get it cumslingers!

  • Ror1984 31 Oct 2012 13:24:51 3,428 posts
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    @mcmonkeyplc Sorry for not replying to your comment - every time I checked this thread since my post, page 13 was missing.

    I did post a comment on that (rather confusing) review on the front page. I love the machine so far. This is the first time I've used Win 8 (I considered putting it on my EP121 for a while, but decided to wait) and it works beautifully. Even the 'app snap' feature, which I liked the look of but questioned the usefulness of, is excellent - it's really useful to have my music player or inbox in the small section while I have a decently-sized browser window open, and performance remains rock solid while scrolling and using both. Did Rich even mention this feature in his review..? I don't recall it.

    There doesn't seem to be much of anything in the app store at the moment, so hopefully that'll pick up. That being said, I'm not much of an app user anyway.

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  • oceanmotion 31 Oct 2012 13:38:30 15,971 posts
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    Hopefully they can iron out the kinks. I think the performance on video and games is just bad design that can be patched. Time will tell of course.
  • mcmonkeyplc 31 Oct 2012 13:40:57 39,460 posts
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    The thing is, none of the reviews anywhere else mention these problems.

    I'm starting to think EG have been given a duff surface.

    Come and get it cumslingers!

  • mikew1985 31 Oct 2012 14:17:45 12,795 posts
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    Unlikely, I think it's more likely that the surface RT is just a bit duff in general.

    if you're interested in a W8 tablet, I don't see why you'd bother with an RT anyway.

    App choice is always going to be comparatively poor, really looking forward to giving a proper Pro tablet a go.
  • monkman76 31 Oct 2012 14:20:05 4,384 posts
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    mcmonkeyplc wrote:
    The thing is, none of the reviews anywhere else mention these problems.

    I'm starting to think EG have been given a duff surface.
    Really?

    http://www.guardian.co.uk/technology/2012/oct/24/microsoft-surface-thumbs-down-early-reviews
  • Deleted user 31 October 2012 14:51:56
    It's not a big surprise that a non hardware company making the first version of a product would struggle. It's a bit of a surprise the software sounds to be the bigger problem.

    Edited by Aargh. at 14:52:41 31-10-2012
  • mcmonkeyplc 31 Oct 2012 14:52:53 39,460 posts
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    That lists 1 review....and it's apple loving guardian.

    Ars Technica
    Engadget
    C-net

    Come and get it cumslingers!

  • monkman76 31 Oct 2012 14:56:26 4,384 posts
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    mcmonkeyplc wrote:
    That lists 1 review....and it's apple loving guardian.
    Ah yes, my apologies.
    1. Wired
    1. NY Times
    1. The Verge

    Must learn to count!
  • mcmonkeyplc 31 Oct 2012 15:00:50 39,460 posts
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    Ok then.

    Come and get it cumslingers!

  • Psychotext 31 Oct 2012 15:14:37 54,309 posts
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    Whilst I love progress, I am amused at the fact that 1366 x 768 is suddenly shit on a 10". It's got (considerably) more PPI than every laptop I've ever used and I never felt like I was struggling on any of them.

    Still, it seems like a poor decision to release the cheaper one first when the pro model was the one always going to compete on pure specs.
  • Deleted user 31 October 2012 21:21:59
    It's less that it's shit and more that all the competition is way ahead of that now. Why get the one that has a lesser screen unless the rest of the machine/software offers significant advantages, which it doesn't sound like it does.
  • ronuds 31 Oct 2012 21:41:19 21,788 posts
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    Does MS have high hopes for this? Seems like they could have done a lot more in terms of pricing, specs, etc. if they really thought they had a chance. This thing's dead on arrival, imo, and that was before all the poor reviews.
  • Psychotext 31 Oct 2012 21:46:42 54,309 posts
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    Very little they could do without pissing off all the OEMs they had working on hardware too. It's why arguably Google's way of doing it with the Nexus line is far smarter.

    I don't think it's dead on arrival though, I think it'll sell reasonably well (Joe Blow doesn't give a shit about reviews)... but it wont touch the iPad.
  • ronuds 31 Oct 2012 21:52:57 21,788 posts
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    As long as it has the little Windows logo, it'll have a chance - you're right about reviews.

    My prediction: The Surface will be Audi 5000 before its 3rd iteration. :p
  • Deleted user 31 October 2012 21:58:02
    I think it's in with a chance solely because of the unified OS. It's really what the market needs - some sort of homogeny between desktops and tablets other than just straightforward data syncing.
  • Deleted user 31 October 2012 22:03:32
    Psychotext wrote:
    I don't think it's dead on arrival though, I think it'll sell reasonably well (Joe Blow doesn't give a shit about reviews)... but it wont touch the iPad.
    No they don't but the early adopters do and it's their word of mouth that Microsoft needs to allow Surface 2 to be a success otherwise they'll end up with another Zune.

    It was supposed to be their flagship hardware design, like Google do with hardware specialists, to help set the bar that others need to meet. Early reviews don't sound good though which is a shame because new ideas and competition are needed soon before the tablet (and smartphone) designs stagnate.
  • ronuds 31 Oct 2012 22:10:59 21,788 posts
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    I don't see tablets or phones evolving too much any time soon. Someone is going to have to come out with something revolutionary so that the rest can copy it in order for that to happen.

    I think they're all very content selling new hardware to the same people every year with not much in the way of upgrades.
  • Deleted user 31 October 2012 22:41:06
    So surface still has the desktop/explorer - I don't really get why considering the idea is to have a closed store system, or am I missing the point entirely?
  • dsmx 1 Nov 2012 00:48:11 7,620 posts
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    Well the desktop is still there because if my cousin who works for microsoft support is to be believed because of office. Office doesn't work in metro because apparently they didn't know that the windows 8 team intended to get rid of the desktop. Not sure if it's true or not but considering programs restricted to running in desktop mode are office and internet explorer, well draw your own conclusions...

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  • Deleted user 1 November 2012 01:01:11
    dsmx wrote:
    Well the desktop is still there because if my cousin who works for microsoft support is to be believed because of office. Office doesn't work in metro because apparently they didn't know that the windows 8 team intended to get rid of the desktop. Not sure if it's true or not but considering programs restricted to running in desktop mode are office and internet explorer, well draw your own conclusions...
    Find this hard to believe given that they demoed it in Metro mode back when it was still called Office 15. The one that's out now is still a preview version, technically. Office 2013 isn't actually out yet.

    Suspect the desktop mode for RT is there mostly so they could backport non-Metro stuff easier, and so people more used to the traditional Windows interface can migrate easier.
  • SpaceDave3000 1 Nov 2012 02:07:31 78,272 posts
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    Yeah, that's complete bollocks, far too many big money legacy programs that are the entire reason people buy windows are tied to it. They won't be getting rid of the desktop for a long time to come either.

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  • oceanmotion 1 Nov 2012 12:24:38 15,971 posts
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    Got to play around with Surface last night.

    The case is immense, rock solid, great feel, nice design. Really is fantastic.

    Screen is nice and sharp, even though it has that resolution.

    Camera quality is a bit average.

    The software is different and has a learning curve that's for sure. Annoying on more than a few occasions, why can't I do this, where is the option for this etc. Just rather annoying if you want to go below the surface.

    Xbox Music, what the hell is this. Lets make a slow, makes no sense app, that is what it is. Could they make it any less intuitive.

    Touch cover is nice and works as advertised. Not on your lap though, needs solid resistance below it.

    Nice to have the desktop for file management like putting music and pictures in libraries.

    Overall, nice hardware for the most part, frustrating software.
  • specialgamer 3 Nov 2012 21:57:43 129 posts
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    Nice review of the Surface here, with an excellent video demo of the problems that the current software has on it: http://ozar.me/2012/10/why-im-returning-my-microsoft-surface-rt/
  • Peew971 4 Nov 2012 16:09:05 4,819 posts
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    Wow. I checked eBay out of curiosity and I can still get around 300 for my iPad 2 (32GB), that's just 99 short of a Surface. Then I compared my iPad apps to my Windows 8 apps and there's no way I'm making that jump even though I'm deep into the Microsoft ecosystem.
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