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  • liohuffman 24 Feb 2013 00:58:47 25 posts
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    @mal I don't know for sure whether Sony check that PS3 games go through LibGCM, but I've heard (from the article link) that Microsoft do with the Xbox 360, and I suspect that Sony may start doing so with the PS4?


    Hypothetically there's nothing stopping Sony from extending Gaikai PS1/PS2/PS3 game streaming to other platforms (such as Android and the PC) although by the sounds of it they wouldn't be able to offer cloud streaming for PS4 games (yet) due to the technical demands this would place on their servers, which is why I suspected they may have released a native PC emulator for PS4 games instead.


    Just a thought!

    Edited by liohuffman at 01:00:30 24-02-2013
  • Aretak 24 Feb 2013 00:58:56 10,354 posts
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    mal wrote:
    I'm also not aware of Sony's PS2 emulator. I'm sure they have one in house, but I didn't think they'd announced anything regarding the PS4.
    PS2 games have been available to buy on PSN for a couple of years now, and run via an emulator. If they can manage it on the PS3's hardware, I'm sure it'll be a trivial matter to get them working on the PS4.
  • RobTheBuilder 24 Feb 2013 01:06:13 6,521 posts
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    @Aretak Especially as the PS2 architecture must be easier to emulate on PS4 than on Cell.
  • mal 24 Feb 2013 01:27:40 22,560 posts
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    I meant their PS2 emulator running on PC hardware, but yeah, you have a point. Still, I would expect their PS2 emulator on PS3 isn't capable of running all games, and indeed might have to be customised for quite a few games - a bit like the difference between the MESS and MAME emulators.

    But it ought to mean they've got the know-how to make a universal emulator on PS4 hardware. As to whether we ever see such a thing outside of bundled emulated games on future Playstations, I doubt though.

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  • RobTheBuilder 24 Feb 2013 02:10:17 6,521 posts
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    They love selling us games individually. But I bet if they offered a 30 PS2 tech add-on hardware millions would want it.
  • Deleted user 28 February 2013 13:59:52
    About Gaikai..

    It all sounds good, but is this all things Sony hope to achieve rather then what will work?

    It's worked in the past, but not on this sort of scale. They seem to be relying very heavily on streaming/cloud gaming etc. We have to remember Sony have said a lot of stuff in the past which hasn't actually happened (PSP Remote play, etc). I can't help but wonder if what they are saying is a bit too much..
  • glaeken 28 Feb 2013 14:03:04 11,176 posts
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    I think with Gaikai you only have to start thinking about the server infrastructure requirements before you really do wonder how it would be even remotely possible for them to pull it off.
  • Flying_Pig 28 Feb 2013 14:08:45 11,003 posts
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    Shouldn't be too bad for PSOne and PS2 games (lower resolution etc), but PS3/PS4 games is a much tougher proposition.

    Should be interesting...
  • Mr-Brett 28 Feb 2013 14:19:28 12,799 posts
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    The current consoles have proven that they need to think long term about these new ones. So while Gaikai may seem a tad ambitious, in 2 or 3 years perhaps fibre optic will have spread far enough for it to be viable for a large number of users?

    I think even in a few years it still won't be good enough to replace local play but maybe it'll be good enough for demos and some nostalgia play.

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  • Psychotext 28 Feb 2013 15:06:55 54,213 posts
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    Most people wont notice it's shit sadly, so expect it to get rammed down our throats eventually.
  • Deleted user 28 February 2013 15:09:31
    To be honest, I don't know if I actually trust companies enough with my purchases for streaming. Downloading isn't too bad as you've still got it on your hard drive, but cloud gaming/streaming I'm not convinced of..
  • ronuds 28 Feb 2013 15:13:45 21,788 posts
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    I think Sony talked it up more than it was worth, as they didn't have much to show or say overall and had 2 hours to fill. I can't imagine a lot of people actually care, tbh.
  • Aretak 28 Feb 2013 15:15:10 10,354 posts
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    Rec wrote:
    To be honest, I don't know if I actually trust companies enough with my purchases for streaming. Downloading isn't too bad as you've still got it on your hard drive, but cloud gaming/streaming I'm not convinced of..
    It's always going to be a risk in the glorious digital future that everybody apparently wants. If a distribution platform (or the company behind it) goes bust, it's likely taking access to all your games with it.
  • Deleted user 28 February 2013 15:18:52
    @Aretak Which is why if a console went fully streaming and no download or disks at all I don't think I could support it. Streaming has it's place, but I don't think it would be good for gamers if it went completely down that direction.
  • ecureuil 28 Feb 2013 15:29:16 76,814 posts
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    Rec wrote:
    About Gaikai..

    It all sounds good, but is this all things Sony hope to achieve rather then what will work?

    It's worked in the past, but not on this sort of scale. They seem to be relying very heavily on streaming/cloud gaming etc. We have to remember Sony have said a lot of stuff in the past which hasn't actually happened (PSP Remote play, etc). I can't help but wonder if what they are saying is a bit too much..
    I tried OnLive (using 16 Mb/s connection, but I get around 10 Mb/s), and it worked well. You could tell the graphics suffered but the game played just fine and I can't say I noticed any lag, although admittedly I only used the service for a couple of hours. It was enough to convince me that it could work, at least. As they refine the tech and internet speeds get faster, it doesn't seem like such a far fetched idea. Sony purchased Gaikai for the purpose of using the tech in PS4, so I'd be surprised if they abandon it.
  • Psychotext 28 Feb 2013 16:22:06 54,213 posts
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    Just out of interest, are you normally sensitive to input lag? Because I thought it was horrible when I tried it (100mb connection, so it's not a speed issue).
  • ecureuil 28 Feb 2013 16:27:16 76,814 posts
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    Yeah I think I'd have noticed. Might be that I was expecting it and was surprised it wasn't as bad as I thought it would be. I can't quite remember, I was just amazed that it actually worked at all.
  • Dirtbox 28 Feb 2013 16:28:36 78,209 posts
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    Gaikai has a good 80-150ms input lag. On top of the lag that all the PS3 games that I've played seem to have it'll be around 200ms.

    IMO that's practically unplayable.

    Edited by Dirtbox at 16:29:26 28-02-2013

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  • graysonavich 28 Feb 2013 16:33:13 7,353 posts
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    I tried FIFA on it last year, I may as well have been playing it in another room. It reminded me of those old phone in games you'd have on childrens TV.

    LEFT

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    SHOOT!
  • FuzzyDuck 1 Mar 2013 21:24:04 4,139 posts
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    One thing I would love to see is an optional install for games like the way you can with the 360. I'm on the verge of chucking the bloody PS3 out the window, such is the annoyance from the disc drive (in this case, playing RDR)
  • Dirtbox 16 Mar 2013 17:14:38 78,209 posts
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    Nvidia liken the PS4 to an accidental arse fingering wipe accident that's so woefully underpowered and pointless that Sony should just give up and concentrate on making radios again.

    http://www.techradar.com/us/news/gaming/consoles/nvidia-compares-ps4-specs-to-a-low-end-cpu-1138051

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  • RyanDS 16 Mar 2013 17:30:29 9,379 posts
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    Um. They moan that a gcx680 performs better than the Ps4 specs?

    A quick google tells me that card costs the same as the entire expected Ps4.

    What, are they next going to complain that the next ford focus is slower than a hundred grand Merc?
  • Dirtbox 16 Mar 2013 17:33:13 78,209 posts
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    Actually the unsubsidised hardware cost of a PS4 is well over twice that.

    Edited by Dirtbox at 17:34:21 16-03-2013

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  • RyanDS 16 Mar 2013 17:36:18 9,379 posts
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    Dirtbox wrote:
    Actually the unsubsidised hardware cost of a PS4 is well over twice that.
    The PS4 costs 700 to make? I thought the whole point was that they had deliberately gone cheap, off the shelf parts?
  • Dirtbox 16 Mar 2013 17:38:07 78,209 posts
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    Off the shelf perhaps, no one said anything about cheap.

    Relatively cheaper than a cell box perhaps and without the wasted millions of dead end R&D.

    Edited by Dirtbox at 18:56:07 16-03-2013

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  • Deleted user 16 March 2013 17:48:45
    I'm really missing my PS3. Can't wait for the PS4 to arrive. Fingers crossed Europe will get it this side of Xmas. If not, 2014 will have to do.
  • Dirtbox 16 Mar 2013 18:42:05 78,209 posts
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    Summer of '14 confirmed.

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  • bladdard 16 Mar 2013 19:31:42 941 posts
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    Dirtbox wrote:
    Summer of '14 confirmed.
    Where?

    I'm betting Nov '13 Japan, Dec '13 US and Mar '14 EU.
  • cubbymoore 16 Mar 2013 19:42:15 36,496 posts
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    Dirtbox wrote:
    Nvidia liken the PS4 to an accidental arse fingering wipe accident that's so woefully underpowered and pointless that Sony should just give up and concentrate on making radios again.

    http://www.techradar.com/us/news/gaming/consoles/nvidia-compares-ps4-specs-to-a-low-end-cpu-1138051


    "The comments from the Nvidia senior vice president are noteworthy because they aren't just from an industry rival trying promote PC gaming vs PS4.

    The remarks come from the same company that powers the PS3's graphics chip."

    And who were snubbed when it came to the ps4, which would have been a very tasty contract. So no agenda at all then.

    Edited by cubbymoore at 19:46:08 16-03-2013
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