Bacon reveals abuse by 'trolls'

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  • Deleted user 18 March 2012 22:44:56
    Rub it on your face, and the tracks of your tears become apparent.

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-17420760

    Everyone's famous former drug-addict, Richard Pork is going to tell people that:
    "It's time to stand up to them, it's time to either expose them or, if you're a victim, go to the police."
    I'm pretty sure that many people on this forum would instead espouse the philosophy of "leave them to it until they get bored".

    Richard Hammond - right or wrong?



    Edit: quick point - make sure you've read the Wikipedia article on 'trolling' before you jump in and talk about your own definition of trolling. Just in case, you know, your ideas are based on limited experience of a both widely-used and also pre-internet term.

    Edited by Stompy at 23:10:04 18-03-2012
  • Tom_Servo 18 Mar 2012 22:47:48 17,291 posts
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    'Trolling' makes me think of people on here saying Apple/Nintendo/Sony are shit. The way that kind of thing (harmless fun, IMO) has been recently lumped together with people leaving offensive messages on memorial pages or racist tweets about footballers is stupid and actually makes the latter sound less horrible than it actually is.
  • Fatiguez 18 Mar 2012 22:49:33 8,707 posts
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    Trolling is not the same as what this is, which is more like stalking and crosses over into the real world where things actually matter. Another example of people who don't really understand the internet using the wrong word for things
  • Tom_Servo 18 Mar 2012 22:50:22 17,291 posts
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    Fatiguez wrote:
    Another example of people who don't really understand the internet using the wrong word for things
    /thread
  • Deleted user 18 March 2012 22:51:39
    Stompy wrote:
    Richard Hammond - right or wrong?
    Hammond?
  • Deleted user 18 March 2012 22:52:28
    Tom_Servo wrote:
    'Trolling' makes me think of people on here saying Apple/Nintendo/Sony are shit. The way that kind of thing (harmless fun, IMO) has been recently lumped together with people leaving offensive messages on memorial pages or racist tweets about footballers is stupid and actually makes the latter sound less horrible than it actually is.
    The term 'trolling' just refers to the online and generally anonymous activity of getting a rise out of other people - generally strangers.

    So, yeah, this covers a wide range of behaviours. I could troll you by saying "you smell funny" and that would be very mildly psychologically damaging for most people. RIP trolling (which, you should note, is a different term - so not entirely 'lumped together' with just trolling) has exactly the same motivation.

    Perhaps we'll eventually have terms that clearly signify the malicious intention of the troller, similar to how we have assault, GBH, manslaughter, and murder. Perhaps 'gnome', 'goblin', 'troll' and 'orc'. As in, "he orc'd my sisters facebook memorial page with room-filling 3Dvids of space slugs shitting on each other".
  • Deleted user 18 March 2012 22:53:21
    Have none of you come across the term 'RIP trolling' before? Jesus.
  • neilka 18 Mar 2012 22:54:29 15,631 posts
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    Pretty rasher him to bring this into the public eye.
  • Deleted user 18 March 2012 22:55:34
    Why I oughtta.
  • Res 18 Mar 2012 22:56:07 1,814 posts
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    Aargh. wrote:
    Stompy wrote:
    Richard Hammond - right or wrong?
    Hammond?
    Eggs.
  • spamdangled 18 Mar 2012 22:56:56 27,269 posts
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    baddom tish

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  • Fatiguez 18 Mar 2012 22:58:11 8,707 posts
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    Stompy wrote:
    Perhaps we'll eventually have terms that clearly signify the malicious intention of the troller, similar to how we have assault, GBH, manslaughter, and murder. Perhaps 'gnome', 'goblin', 'troll' and 'orc'. As in, "he orc'd my sisters facebook memorial page with room-filling 3Dvids of space slugs shitting on each other".
    Despite your hilarious example, I don't think this is a million miles away from a good idea. Lumping 'trolling' into the same category as 'posting child pornography on dead people's Facebook walls and leaving messages on their parents' phones' isn't helping anything.
  • mrpon 18 Mar 2012 22:58:18 28,421 posts
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    bottom shit

    Give yourself 5 or gig, you're worth it.

  • Syrette 18 Mar 2012 22:58:23 43,061 posts
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    They see me trollin'

  • Deleted user 18 March 2012 23:00:09
    Fatiguez wrote:
    Despite your hilarious example, I don't think this is a million miles away from a good idea. Lumping 'trolling' into the same category as 'posting child pornography on dead people's Facebook walls and leaving messages on their parents' phones' isn't helping anything.
    We get by fine with "hit" referring to everything from "I hit him because he had a tantrum on the bus" to "I hit that old bastard so hard he fell down the stairs" to "I took out a hit on our mutual friend".

    Perhaps you're being a bit too sensitive to vocabulary, and not sensitive enough to context.
  • Fatiguez 18 Mar 2012 23:02:18 8,707 posts
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    But the definition of 'trolling' which people who don't understand the internet use, is put into the same context as the proper word would be. This article is not about trolling
  • spamdangled 18 Mar 2012 23:06:42 27,269 posts
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    A troll is someone who anonymously posts deliberately inflammatory and offensive remarks on the internet in order to get a reaction. That covers everything from posting "COD IS SHIT LOLOLOLOLOL" on a videogame forum to posting a comment on the facebook page of dead person saying they deserve to rot in hell, etc. It isn't a term defined by degrees of behaviour, though some of the more extreme trolls obviously cross the line into criminal harassment.

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  • Deleted user 18 March 2012 23:07:01
    Fatiguez wrote:
    But the definition of 'trolling' which people who don't understand the internet use, is put into the same context as the proper word would be. This article is not about trolling
    In my experience, the word 'troll' has referred to people being seriously unpleasant for some time. The idea of a 'proper word' is also quite interesting, considering its youth, links to a rapidly-evolving new medium of discussion, and the fact that the media has understandably popularised the most extreme practise that falls under the label.

    Trolling describes a motivation, not necessarily an outcome. It therefore applies to a whole range of outcomes.
  • Deleted user 18 March 2012 23:07:51
    STOMPY AND DM DOUBLE TEAAAMMMMM.
  • Fatiguez 18 Mar 2012 23:09:10 8,707 posts
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    You sure got me. You guys are such trolls
  • Deleted user 18 March 2012 23:10:37
    I've just realised that a Rick Rolling is a tRick tRolling!

    That's quite clever.
  • Fatiguez 18 Mar 2012 23:10:55 8,707 posts
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    Anyway that's quite enough for me, I already gave my opinion at the start of the thread. This topic is such a non-issue, it's not worth me getting spackbatter all over my shoes by talking about it any more
  • Stickman 18 Mar 2012 23:12:49 29,657 posts
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    I quite enjoy his show as it happens. He comes across much less dickish than I imagined he would from his earlier career. He had an interesting debate with Nick Cohen about this and free speech, the outcome basically being that free speech doesn't mean freedom to say whatever you feel like, as that Swansea prick is finding out with his Muamba comments last night.

    Talking about a lack of understanding from non-internet types, I agree to an extent, but I do think that the police, etc have actually been pretty quick in getting on board with social media and all that. I think that internet anonymity is rapidly evaporating for better or worse.

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  • Deleted user 18 March 2012 23:13:30
    Fatiguez wrote:
    Anyway that's quite enough for me, I already gave my opinion at the start of the thread. This topic is such a non-issue, it's not worth me getting spackbatter all over my shoes by talking about it any more
    Yeah, it's only trolling when it's not in "the real world", even though the term pre-dates the internet and was used in "the real world" first.

    Also, what you say on here isn't "personal" because there's no chance that the people you are talking to are regularly berated and abused by their family for being "spaks", spitting "spakbatter", or have to put up with their loved ones getting the same treatment from others.

    Therefore "trolling" is harmless, meaningless, and never causes anyone serious harm, even though you've seen it piss off countless people in countless ways. But you found it funny at the time, so therefore trolling is just a bit of fun.

    Edited by Stompy at 23:15:31 18-03-2012
  • Deleted user 18 March 2012 23:14:49
    Stickman wrote:
    ...the outcome basically being that free speech doesn't mean freedom to say whatever you feel like...
    The classic "shouting fire in a crowded room" argument?
  • spamdangled 18 Mar 2012 23:15:23 27,269 posts
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    Stickman wrote:
    I quite enjoy his show as it happens.
    Same. I quite like him on Radio 5.

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  • Tom_Servo 18 Mar 2012 23:18:23 17,291 posts
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    I saw him on a show recently where he discussed his favourite books. Seemed okay.

    Now, Jeremy Kyle on TalkSport... there's a guy who comes across badly.
  • spamdangled 18 Mar 2012 23:19:07 27,269 posts
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    Jeremy Kyle now has an American Show. It's like Jerry Springer, only where the presenter does more shouting than the guests.

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  • Deleted user 18 March 2012 23:20:26
    darkmorgado wrote:
    Jeremy Kyle now has an American Show. It's like Jerry Springer, only where the presenter does more shouting than the guests.
    Why did God give this man a foghorn instead of a face?

    I wish someone would troll him off the air.
  • Dirtbox 18 Mar 2012 23:22:04 77,461 posts
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    I was thinking the same thing about you.

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