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  • chopsen 6 Sep 2012 08:51:51 17,332 posts
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    That has not been an exclusively Tory problem.
  • mal 6 Sep 2012 08:57:01 24,330 posts
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    The sad fact seems to be a lot of the Conservative backbenchers seem to think he's not being cuntish enough already.
  • MetalDog 6 Sep 2012 10:37:45 23,928 posts
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    It's definitely not a Tory-only problem. They're just the most immediate problem.
  • Deleted user 6 September 2012 13:06:41
    MetalDog wrote:
    It's like the country is in the hands of the worst sort of middle management. They don't understand the work on the floor that they're exercising changes over but they have their own ideas and they're going to run with it. They ignore all advice and warnings from people in the field. They're not listening to doctors, police, fire chiefs, education professionals, military commanders, etc - and they're sure as shit not listening to us.
    But MD, you're not listening to them! These are exciting business opportunities from which those involved stand to make pots of cash!

    CIFO is the appropriate acronym here - Cash In or Fuck Off.
  • MetalDog 6 Sep 2012 22:29:25 23,928 posts
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    Coastguards as pissed off as every other good service we have.
  • DodgyPast 7 Sep 2012 02:55:14 8,946 posts
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    That's potentially quite dumb, the sailing set respect the coastguard a lot and can make more noise than many others.

    Fingers crossed that this raises awareness.
  • MetalDog 10 Sep 2012 09:35:19 23,928 posts
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    I believe they're also cutting funds to flood defence, which seems spectacularly retarded to me. If anyone can confirm or deny that would be good.

    Looks like we have company.
  • MetalDog 10 Sep 2012 10:53:35 23,928 posts
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    Apparently if we want a good service from MPs we have to fund them.

    They don't seem to believe this about public services.
  • MightyMetalMonkey 10 Sep 2012 11:14:14 600 posts
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    It's ironic really.

    When the ravening rioting horde finally gets it's act together and with Torches and Pitchforks head en-masse to get the politicians, there will be no police to protect them...

    And as for G4S, any who aren't illegal immigrants will say "It's just a job, bugger this for a game of soldiers!" and vanish away...

    And if they ever think of bringing in security staff from abroad, that really will be history repeating itself (Rome, Vandals).
  • MetalDog 11 Sep 2012 14:16:11 23,928 posts
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    It isn't just G4S, there are a whole host of firms that could step in and fuck things up. I do think the government would rather like a private army to hold us at bay though. One they could bring in on short term stomp the plebs contracts.

    Damian Green says hire private policing firms

    Don't believe the bollocks about 'freeing up the front line' either. It's horseshit, the front line is being whittled away.

    Always miss a character in links. Every fucking time!

    Edited by MetalDog at 14:22:26 11-09-2012
  • RichDC 11 Sep 2012 14:54:47 6,143 posts
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    Not come across a single politician that actually understands what the 'front line' means anyway.
  • MetalDog 11 Sep 2012 15:35:59 23,928 posts
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    True. They don't seem to understand anything beyond 'business' which is a terrible model to try to crowbar all our services into.

    Guardian have done a bit on where cuts are happening
  • MetalDog 11 Sep 2012 20:58:51 23,928 posts
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    @CasualMaimer
    The police are not the courts. They do bring the evidence though and if G4S or similar end up in charge of all that I would imagine the failed convictions would rise.

    The idea that they hang around in town centres 'for show' is completely ridiculous.

    As for speeding, A) don't speed, duh and B) if traffic ends up in the hands of a private company they really will be ticketing for profit rather than because they're tired of scraping bodies off the road and delivering death messages. Remember the privatised wheel clamping shenanigans?

    Rapid response times are being made much less likely because of the cuts. If you want rapid response, you need more police, not less.

    Please watch this at least from 4:25 onwards
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IyO1WURjHLI&feature=youtube_gdata_player

    And while I appreciate police pensions aren't a big hit with the public, it's important to remember that the pension was part of the original deal that lost them the right to strike, the right to be members of a political party, to make them held to duty even when off duty, etc. The slightly earlier retirements reflects the injuries incurred in a physically demanding job and still until quite recently, the average life expectancy post-retirement was a mere five years.
    So sign this if you think it's a good idea not to ream them on that deal.
    http://epetitions.direct.gov.uk/petitions/22321
  • Deleted user 11 September 2012 22:45:03
    Police recruitment changes planned, May says. Nothing new really - it's been discussed here before. It just re-iterates that government sees policing as a business rather than a police service. Why have DCIs when you can have a highly-paid bean counters with experience from Crapita or ATOS instead? It's worked for the NHS!

    Edited by Bremenacht at 22:45:33 11-09-2012
  • MetalDog 11 Sep 2012 23:00:07 23,928 posts
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    The police have already seen officer struggling to cope as incident commanders when they've risen too fast through the ranks. This will be a mess.

    Meanwhile, in cuntland MPs who repaid expenses got money back in secret deal.

    So, all in this together then.
  • senso-ji 11 Sep 2012 23:02:22 6,500 posts
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    G4S chief expects the full Olympic contract to be paid

    Surprised this is being buried amongst less significant news considering the furore they caused before the games. I suppose the MPs dealing with this will hope nobody will notice that remark and give them the cash.
  • Deleted user 12 September 2012 00:01:09
    senso-ji wrote:
    G4S chief expects the full Olympic contract to be paid

    Surprised this is being buried amongst less significant news considering the furore they caused before the games. I suppose the MPs dealing with this will hope nobody will notice that remark and give them the cash.
    Haha. Don't worry! Jeremy Hunt promised the public a 'proper post mortem' and that HMG would be invoking 'penalty clauses' etc.

    Edited by Bremenacht at 00:02:28 12-09-2012
  • disusedgenius 12 Sep 2012 10:49:06 6,361 posts
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    CasualMaimer wrote:
    so why do politicians pander to peoples' craving for the illusion of safety with police in high numbers on streets?
    Because fear of crime is just as much of a political issue as crime itself.
  • Deleted user 12 September 2012 12:46:34
    Possibly more so, in terms of affecting the population at large.
  • MetalDog 13 Sep 2012 11:11:21 23,928 posts
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    General feeling I'm seeing amongst officers regarding Hillsborough fairly well reflected here. I disagree with Gadget on many things, but his heart is clearly in the right place.
    Inspector Gadget

    This is something the police still need to work on - albeit on a less horrific scale. I don't think privatising them will increase transparency at all, particularly with the immunity from FOI requests that private companies enjoy.
  • MetalDog 14 Sep 2012 11:51:59 23,928 posts
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    Boris Johnson is just like the rest of them shocker.
  • MetalDog 14 Sep 2012 15:39:38 23,928 posts
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    A bit more on that appointment - interestingly, people on twitter were talking about Gibbs getting the job more than a month ago, so the advert appears to be a nod merely to the letter of the law.
  • MetalDog 24 Sep 2012 15:12:02 23,928 posts
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    Try not to have a housefire any time soon.
  • MetalDog 24 Sep 2012 15:24:33 23,928 posts
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    They're not asking for more pay, they're asking for less cuts.
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