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  • RichieTenenbaum 14 Feb 2012 23:55:15 2,155 posts
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    OK. So this is a terrible thread to start BUT

    Today, on my way out of the house to a gig (2 Door Cinema Club. They were shite.) I walked past the local shop. There were about 7 or 8 Pakistani kids in front. As I walked past an egg went past my head, and hit the wall to the side of me. Then another egg hit me on my trousers.

    I turned around (bad idea but I kind of needed to change my trousers now anyway!). They all had their jackets over their face and just shouted at me 'Fuck you' 'What you gonna do' and the one that shocked me 'this street is for Pakis. Fuck off'

    Now I've lived here for 4 years, and I had my car egged a few months back but it really shocked me and upset me. Has anyone else had anything like this happen to them? What do you think makes kids do this?
  • ResidentKnievel 14 Feb 2012 23:57:49 5,867 posts
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    I've had eggs thrown at me by white kids before, dunno if that's relevant.

    They're probably just chavvy twats, I don't think race has anything to do with it, chavvy twats will use any differences as an excuse to act like chavvy twats.

    Edited by ResidentKnievel at 00:00:39 15-02-2012

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  • Dirtbox 14 Feb 2012 23:58:29 76,313 posts
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    Probably because they feel alienated and unwelcome by society in their own homes and they don't have much frame of reference at that age. Go speak to their parents.

    Edited by Dirtbox at 23:58:57 14-02-2012

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  • mrpon 14 Feb 2012 23:58:55 27,637 posts
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    Your pupils?

    Give yourself 5 or gig, you're worth it.

  • Pinky_Floyd 14 Feb 2012 23:59:34 6,418 posts
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    You should try to fit in a bit more.
  • richardiox 15 Feb 2012 00:02:23 5,413 posts
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    Tell them not to be racist little twats.
  • Jazzy_Geoff 15 Feb 2012 00:06:06 7,767 posts
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    Don't go on that street anymore.
  • redcrayon 15 Feb 2012 00:06:31 4,532 posts
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    It's not race that makes a sizeable group of teenage boys act like twats. It's being a sizeable group of teenage boys.

    If all your local yoof do is chuck eggs over perceived territorial infractions, count yourself lucky.
  • Pinky_Floyd 15 Feb 2012 00:07:19 6,418 posts
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    Sounds like a set up to me. You dont mention their ethnic origin. They covered their faces with hoods and called themselves 'pakis'. Therefore I deduce it was a few teen local lads trying to put their foreign brothers in a bad light.

    Edited by Pinky_Floyd at 00:07:36 15-02-2012
  • RichieTenenbaum 15 Feb 2012 00:07:47 2,155 posts
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    mrpon wrote:
    Your pupils?
    Pupils at a school I used to work at, but ones I had no direct contact with. Suppose that's a big part. But they had the eggs ready to throw... Couldn't identify them.

    I suppose it's poverty thing. Although this really gets to me as an excuse, as I grew up in a council estate in Hull, and I didn't make people feel unwelcome in their own street. I never threw eggs at black or pakistani people.

    Because it's my street, it's actually really upset me.

    Upset me that I felt powerless and dominated by some little kids and upset that I'm not welcome in my own area.
  • richardiox 15 Feb 2012 00:07:59 5,413 posts
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    The Egg Race thread.
  • RichieTenenbaum 15 Feb 2012 00:08:25 2,155 posts
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    Jazzy_Geoff wrote:
    Don't go on that street anymore.
    IT'S MY STREET. THE STREET I LIVE ON.
  • neilka 15 Feb 2012 00:08:27 14,935 posts
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    I think you just misheard, they were saying "this street's a bit parky", hence the jackets over the faces.
  • mrpon 15 Feb 2012 00:12:22 27,637 posts
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    Ask for bacon next time. Use my profile pic as a checklist if you like.

    Give yourself 5 or gig, you're worth it.

  • richardiox 15 Feb 2012 00:12:34 5,413 posts
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    If you know what school they went to try and find their identity and grass them up. You should hung around and followed them home and let their parents know they'd been shouting racist abuse and chucking eggs at people. Likely their parents will have been victims of racist abuse so I'd like to think they'd give them a bollocking.

    Unless their parents are of the scumbag 'don't give a fick what my kid gets up to' variety.
  • redcrayon 15 Feb 2012 00:18:40 4,532 posts
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    You could ask the shopkeeper not to sell eggs to kids. He's probably not overly impressed with the pavement outside his shop reeking, and if it's pissing him off too, somethings more likely to get done if you both complain to the school/police community happyclappy squad.
  • RichieTenenbaum 15 Feb 2012 00:26:47 2,155 posts
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    I will talk to the police tomorrow I think. Those kids are always hanging around that shop. Maybe they could talk to their parents.
  • redcrayon 15 Feb 2012 00:30:16 4,532 posts
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    If nothing else, it'll make you feel better for having done something, especially if they tell you that you aren't the first it's happened to and they are going to do something about it. Otherwise you'll just fume over it and it'll get you down.
  • RichieTenenbaum 15 Feb 2012 00:33:07 2,155 posts
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    It has got me a little down. I mean, I've lived here for 4 years. I've even helped on community things like the big street cleanup thing we did.
  • spamdangled 15 Feb 2012 00:36:39 27,197 posts
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    RichieTenenbaum wrote:
    I will talk to the police tomorrow I think. Those kids are always hanging around that shop. Maybe they could talk to their parents.
    Maybe speak to the shopkeeper and see if he has CCTV that might have captured the incident on camera, and ask if he is able to identify the kids?

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  • heyyo 15 Feb 2012 00:44:28 14,374 posts
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    You have to stand up for yourself, not talking about becoming a hero or anything but just something to show you're not afraid, maybe a "fella what you think you're doing?" They thrive on seeing you cower and walking away in silence like a pussy, if they see you do nothing then they'd probably rob you in the near future.

    You think by walking quietly away you won't provoke them but ironically you are, sometimes you have to act out of character to stop dickheads.

    In predominatly white areas you'd get groups of white chavs telling ethics to "fuck off you paki its our street" "go back to your country u curry stinking bastard" It's just what people do in groups, young males have strongest group identity so it's extreme in gangs.

    edit: don't get down get fucking angry, that would anger me i'm suprised you didn't say something at the very least out of anger.

    Edited by heyyo at 00:48:43 15-02-2012
  • magicpanda 15 Feb 2012 00:46:25 13,005 posts
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    Have you considered a plan of action that would somehow invole Anal intercourse with them?
  • Lukus 15 Feb 2012 00:52:32 18,955 posts
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  • Deleted user 15 February 2012 00:56:48
    I doubt the police will give much of a crap, to be honest. I suspect the most they'll do is a vague drive past the area. If they investigated and involved themselves with every incident of kids being dickheads then they'd never do anything else.
  • spamdangled 15 Feb 2012 00:59:02 27,197 posts
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    If the incidents become a regular thing they'll take a more active interest, so it's still best to report it so if there are further incidents there's a clear pattern of behaviour that can aid prosecution.

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  • Deleted user 15 February 2012 01:00:46
    Yep, definitely the thing these disenfranchised kids need most is prosecution.
  • Megapocalypse 15 Feb 2012 01:00:48 5,228 posts
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    meme wrote:
    I doubt the police will give much of a crap, to be honest. I suspect the most they'll do is a vague drive past the area. If they investigated and involved themselves with every incident of kids being dickheads then they'd never do anything else.
    Not quite true. If you make a racial allegation they'll have to put on a report. Then an officer will have to spend an hour going down to the shop and looking at the CCTV which might show a group of people standing there but the quality won't be good enough to tell if they adults/chidren/male/female and the report will be closed.
  • RichieTenenbaum 15 Feb 2012 01:07:16 2,155 posts
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    heyyo wrote:
    You have to stand up for yourself, not talking about becoming a hero or anything but just something to show you're not afraid, maybe a "fella what you think you're doing?" They thrive on seeing you cower and walking away in silence like a pussy, if they see you do nothing then they'd probably rob you in the near future.
    I actually did go over to them. They just said 'fuck off' and got in my face. I decided that getting in any kind of fight wasn't a good idea (and I was late now) so i left and they won.
  • Lukey__b 15 Feb 2012 01:10:45 3,725 posts
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    Egg driveby.

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  • spamdangled 15 Feb 2012 01:12:49 27,197 posts
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    meme wrote:
    Yep, definitely the thing these disenfranchised kids need most is prosecution.
    Yeah, condoning that sort of behaviour and sending out the message that you can get away with racist abuse is definitely the way forward.

    "Disenfranchised kids". Really? Stop speaking as if they are victims of the system. Plenty of people grow up in less than ideal circumstances and don't end up commiting crime or abusing others. You can treat the cause, but that doesn't mean you shouldn't also treat the symptoms at the same time.

    Edited by darkmorgado at 01:16:40 15-02-2012

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