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  • kalel 11 Jul 2013 16:15:55 88,470 posts
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    Don't think "psychosomatic" is quite the right word.

    To be honest I've never done direct comparisons of FLACs/ALACs to MP3 on like for like equipment. But I have compared vinyl on a proper separates set-up to an MP3 run through the same set-up (not through a DAC), and the difference was considerable.

    I'm aware that vinyl is a step up again to CDs, but you can't tell me that the human ear can't discern above MP3 quality.
  • nickthegun 11 Jul 2013 16:26:36 60,517 posts
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    Ive never done a straight taste test either, but my music library is a smorgasbord of different bitrates and, when listening to tune after tune you can quite clearly hear the quality difference between them.

    Not that, admittedly, its a huge problem anymore as I mainly listen to spotify premium now because I cba with buying music.

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  • Armoured_Bear 11 Jul 2013 16:29:03 11,370 posts
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    superdelphinus wrote:
    I think you have to be a cat to actually hear a difference in some of the higher bitrates
    No, you need non deficient ears and a decent system.

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  • nickthegun 11 Jul 2013 16:29:52 60,517 posts
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    You tell em, Ears_of_the_wolf.

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  • FuzzyDuck 11 Jul 2013 16:47:44 4,364 posts
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    I find it handier to shop around online, buy a physical CD (for less or similar prices to iTunes downloads), can then rip it to whatever format I want and I have a physical copy too.

    I've a modest, old hifi and a decent (let's call them the lower end of the audiophile range) set of cans, and can quite easily hear the difference between an audio file or a CD/record.
  • Deckard1 11 Jul 2013 16:49:26 28,761 posts
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    Armoured_Bear wrote:
    superdelphinus wrote:
    I think you have to be a cat to actually hear a difference in some of the higher bitrates
    No, you need non deficient ears and a decent system.
    So you're an audiophile as well then?
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    Genuine fucking lol.
  • wayneh 11 Jul 2013 17:09:38 2,381 posts
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    Time you get to my age your hearing has naturally degraded making it almost impossible to get any extra enjoyment from these higher bitrates. Even 256kps is a bit overkill :(

    Act like a dumbshit and they will treat you as an equal

  • Jeepers 11 Jul 2013 17:27:03 13,183 posts
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    Deckard1 wrote:
    Armoured_Bear wrote:
    superdelphinus wrote:
    I think you have to be a cat to actually hear a difference in some of the higher bitrates
    No, you need non deficient ears and a decent system.
    So you're an audiophile as well then?
    :D
  • Deleted user 11 July 2013 17:28:00
    After a certain bitrate it stops mattering, and half the stuff is mastered with the encoding in mind; 256kps mp3s or better are fine for most normal people.
  • UncleLou Moderator 11 Jul 2013 17:28:16 35,719 posts
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    nickthegun wrote:
    superdelphinus wrote:
    I have good headphones and an exceptionally good amp. I think a lot of it is psychosomatic to he honest
    Then I dont know what to tell you. Im not in the same league as some of the audiophiles on here and I can hear the difference quite easily.
    Nothing personal, but unless you make a double blind test, you shouldn't trust yourself.
  • nickthegun 11 Jul 2013 17:32:13 60,517 posts
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    I have heard differences in music that I didnt categorically know were different bitrates until I checked, so I think thats that box ticked.

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  • Mr_Sleep 11 Jul 2013 17:36:13 17,186 posts
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    I have done direct comparisons and I could tell the difference but there was one weird mp3 outlier that actually sounded better because the mix of the original track was shit and the mp3 conversion cleaned the track up.

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  • UncleLou Moderator 11 Jul 2013 17:36:15 35,719 posts
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    @nick
    Between 128KBps or lower, particularly from a few years ago, and 320KBps or lossless from today - maybe.

    Between anything encoded in the last few years at 256 KBps and lossless? Sorry, but no.

    Edited by UncleLou at 17:36:46 11-07-2013
  • Mr_Sleep 11 Jul 2013 17:36:16 17,186 posts
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    Bloop.

    Edited by Mr_Sleep at 17:37:06 11-07-2013

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  • kalel 11 Jul 2013 17:44:24 88,470 posts
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    To be frank, even if there's no difference at all, I'm still quite up for being charged for lossless files by itunes. I just want the choice.
  • Mr_Sleep 11 Jul 2013 18:09:40 17,186 posts
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    I would also be very pleased to see the option. There are some sites like Bleep.com that provide drm free flac and wav versions for DD so I am not sure why bigger sites can't do the same. Granted, Bleep have a relatively small footprint compared to iTunes but the option for higher resolutions definitely draws me towards sites like Bleep so it surprises me that Apple haven't expanded into the HD market.

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  • kalel 23 Apr 2014 10:02:53 88,470 posts
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    BUMP

    Looks like Apple are about to launch their HD music service off the back of the forthcoming Led Zep HD remasters.

    Furthermore, seems like Apple have been requiring all music to be supplied in 24bit format for years now, so pretty much the entire library will relaunch in HD, and immediately become the biggest source of HD music available.

    Pricing will be interesting. I'm hoping Match customers will just get a free upgrade to all their music.
  • Armoured_Bear 23 Apr 2014 10:04:41 11,370 posts
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    Very good to hear, I can actually consider buying the occasional thing from iTunes now.

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  • kalel 23 Apr 2014 10:15:23 88,470 posts
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    The next question is whether there's any plans to release hardware that allows you to benefit from this change. Proper DACs in their laptops? A new range of HD ipods?
  • Armoured_Bear 23 Apr 2014 10:17:23 11,370 posts
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    kalel wrote:
    The next question is whether there's any plans to release hardware that allows you to benefit from this change. Proper DACs in their laptops? A new range of HD ipods?
    I'd love them to release a 128GB iPhone with better a better dad and amp.
    I'd happily pay too much money for that.

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  • tincanrocket 23 Apr 2014 10:24:24 3,022 posts
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    Led Zep HD Remasters, you say? Excellent.

    So, that will be Killing Floor by Howling Wolf 'remastered' as The Lemon Song, Bring it On Home by Sonnyboy Williamson 'remastered' as having been written by Jimmy Page and Robert Plant, Taurus by Spirit 'remastered' as Stairway to Heaven etc.. Whilst I quite enjoy the odd bit of The Yardbirds II they really should have renamed themselves The Magpies rather than Led Zeppelin, the thieving cnuts.
  • Mr_Sleep 23 Apr 2014 11:09:45 17,186 posts
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    tincanrocket wrote:
    Led Zep HD Remasters, you say? Excellent.

    So, that will be Killing Floor by Howling Wolf 'remastered' as The Lemon Song, Bring it On Home by Sonnyboy Williamson 'remastered' as having been written by Jimmy Page and Robert Plant, Taurus by Spirit 'remastered' as Stairway to Heaven etc.. Whilst I quite enjoy the odd bit of The Yardbirds II they really should have renamed themselves The Magpies rather than Led Zeppelin, the thieving cnuts.
    Don't forget Black Waterside by Bert Jansch remastered as Black Mountainside.

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  • kalel 23 Apr 2014 11:32:39 88,470 posts
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    To further muddy everyone's understand of what actually constitutes "HD" music, the new Led Zep remasters are also being released in "HD vinyl".

    /shrug
  • Mr_Sleep 23 Apr 2014 11:34:02 17,186 posts
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    Are they going to stick some crackle, warping effects and track skipping on there? Maybe that's what it means.

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  • Armoured_Bear 23 Apr 2014 11:35:57 11,370 posts
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    Mr_Sleep wrote:
    Are they going to stick some crackle, warping effects and track skipping on there? Maybe that's what it means.
    Ahhh, more vinyl myths, awesome!

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  • kalel 23 Apr 2014 11:36:55 88,470 posts
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    No, as in they're re-releasing them on actual vinyl, but this vinyl will be "HD".
  • Armoured_Bear 23 Apr 2014 11:39:19 11,370 posts
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    kalel wrote:
    No, as in they're re-releasing them on actual vinyl, but this vinyl will be "HD".
    So the vinyl masters will be created from the "HD" digital masters rather than the analogue tape., like the recent Pink Floyd vinyl issues, is that what you mean?

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  • kalel 23 Apr 2014 11:43:10 88,470 posts
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    I have no idea what it means.

    The problem is that nobody has really defined or standardised what "HD" means in an audio sense. Is it lossless? Is it a certain bit depth? Is it a format?

    It's certainly cheeky to apply the label to an analogue format imo. That really is confusing.
  • nickthegun 23 Apr 2014 11:46:52 60,517 posts
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    Its what happens when you dont say no to marketing people.

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