There should be high speed main trunk that serve nodes(or cities) these nodes should provide a connections to the local networks
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GiarcYekrub 3,150 posts
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dsmx 6,861 posts
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Registered 8 years agoWell a while back someone got me a copy of bradshaws railway map from 1907 if you want to be really depressed about how coverage has fallen I could post a picture of that, according to the book their was 23000 miles of track in this country at that point."If we hit that bullseye the rest of the dominoes will fall like a a house of cards, checkmate." Zapp Brannigan
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X201 13,065 posts
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Registered 7 years agoGiarcYekrub wrote:
I think that's what you'll end up with eventually, but you need to build the first sections in order to build the rest.
There should be high speed main trunk that serve nodes(or cities) these nodes should provide a connections to the local networks
When fully built this will become the West Coast Mainline. Then the existing East Coast Mainline will get upgraded and you'll have the basic network. It will take ages and cost loads though. but it needs doing. -
dsmx 6,861 posts
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Registered 8 years agoIt took them 85 years to build the epic rail network we used to have with a bunch of workman and explosives however back then you could just build whatever you wanted nearly and they couldn't stop you. These days we have so many pressure groups and insane planning regulations that getting anything built is an achievement in itself."If we hit that bullseye the rest of the dominoes will fall like a a house of cards, checkmate." Zapp Brannigan
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faux_carnation 7,687 posts
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Registered 8 years agoI don't often agree with Simon Jenkins, but this time I do. -
Khanivor 38,680 posts
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Registered 11 years agoIt does seem like a lot of money for not a lot of payback.
Well, unless you are going to be getting one of the contracts. Then it will be fucking awesome.
Canny though, finding a project with which to siphon public money into a few private hands which will get the blessing, or at least apathy, of the lefty types as it's based on a topic they traditionally get moist over. -
FWB 39,099 posts
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Registered 11 years agoSaid it before, but 32billion well worth spent if it annoys Tory Middle-England. -
PenguinJim 3,537 posts
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Registered 6 years agoIt doesn't seem to get a lot of mention internationally, but we've had our HSR for a few years here. All the dry technical/political stuff as well as the details of the 3.5-year delay are pretty much covered in that article, but it doesn't quite relate the convenience of replacing my £3 3-hour bus journey or £4 3-hour train journey with a smooth, clean, modern £5 45-minute HSR journey from my city to the capital..gif)
Although to be fair, I usually just hop on a bus and sleep.
If you're genuinely interested in Taiwan's HSR and you're also the owner of a PS3, might I suggest trying the Taiwan HSR Game (it's region-free, don't worry), a truly unique game that is sadly overlooked whenever PS3-exclusive lists are compiled. -
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GiarcYekrub 3,150 posts
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Registered 7 years agoLooks like they are going to build a Station up the road from my Parents, they live in Long Eaton which is really close to Toton. -
Psychotext 49,221 posts
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Registered 7 years agoIs there a proposed map for this anywhere?This post is sponsored by Apple and the iPhone 4S. Think different.
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Shikasama 4,603 posts
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Registered 4 years agoGiarcYekrub wrote:
^ The mastermind behind the whole thing
Looks like they are going to build a Station up the road from my Parents, they live in Long Eaton which is really close to Toton. -
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Psychotext 49,221 posts
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Registered 7 years agoThanks.This post is sponsored by Apple and the iPhone 4S. Think different.
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Shikasama 4,603 posts
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Registered 4 years agoI don't understand why it isn't going up to Newcastle -
TheSaint 11,621 posts
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Registered 7 years agoShikasama wrote:
Probably because that would be too sensible.
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oceanmotion 13,167 posts
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Registered 10 years agoSo about 100 billion when they finish. -
Bremenacht 11,232 posts
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Registered 6 years ago100 fucking billion? Where's the money for it coming from btw? I've not read anything about it.This post is unsuitable for those with a high rumour-sensitivity.
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oceanmotion 13,167 posts
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Registered 10 years agoActually 30 billion, but you know what inevitably happens is what I mean. -
faux_carnation 7,687 posts
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Registered 8 years agoWhat's going to happen to the mainlines which run parallel to HS2? Any chance they'll become cheap? -
FWB 39,099 posts
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Registered 11 years agoHahahaha. You're so cute, faux. So very, very cute.
I'm all for these lines. Plaster the country with them. Whatever pisses off the inbred, DM reading, Tory voting country wankers. -
Bremenacht 11,232 posts
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Registered 6 years agooceanmotion wrote:
Oh ok. I did actually mean 'where is the money coming from'! Is it PFI or direct from government?.
Actually 30 billion, but you know what inevitably happens is what I mean.
Know what you're saying though.This post is unsuitable for those with a high rumour-sensitivity.
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DaM 11,755 posts
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Registered 11 years agofaux_carnation wrote:
What's going to happen to the mainlines which run parallel to HS2? Any chance they'll become cheap?FWB wrote:
Actually that's precisely what they did in France with the HGV, so it would be used by everyone and not just businessmen and well off. Unlikely to be repeated here, no learning from history
Hahahaha. You're so cute, faux. So very, very cute.
TGV Wiki.
122 million users in 2009. I don't know why they don't just ask the French to do it for us, TGVUK, they clearly know what they are doing. They seemed to build theirs very quickly in chunks. With the timelines being put out for this, half of us will be dead before it's ready.
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Shikasama 4,603 posts
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Registered 4 years agoThis is another thing I don't get. This is going to take so long and with each passing year it becomes more and more redundant. So much business is done over the a fibre optic cable now how much value really exists in being able to get to london quickly?
The time to make this sort of investment in the railways was 30/40 years ago. Not starting it now to finish in 20/30 years time. -
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Registered 11 years agoDaM wrote:
If I learned anything from my years at EG, it's that planning regulations between the UK and France are very different. France basically pay everyone a fair market rate plus a bit for the houses and land they're going to take up, while the UK pays significantly less and expects you to go to court if you want any more, which obviously takes a while before actual building can start.
I don't know why they don't just ask the French to do it for us, TGVUK, they clearly know what they are doing. They seemed to build theirs very quickly in chunks. With the timelines being put out for this, half of us will be dead before it's ready.
That's probably massively oversimplified, if not flat out wrong, but you've no one to blame but yourselves, EG hive mind, if so.
Edit: @Shikasama People have been predicting the need for transport and offices to be soon redundant since as long as I can remember, and while working from home is now a lot more common than it once was (in certain industries at least), we've still got a busier transport network than ever.
Edited by mal at 18:59:41 28-01-2013Cubby didn't know how to turn off sigs!
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RedSparrows 17,032 posts
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Registered 6 years ago£32 billion on existing rail system + digital communications + a nice little packet for me = why HS2? -
Fab4 5,310 posts
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Registered 7 years agoIts either better transport links or start to plan for a 2nd tier to London. And the underground cities of science fiction become reality
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Shikasama 4,603 posts
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Registered 4 years agomal wrote:
DaM wrote:
I'm not even talking about working from home. I doubt there is a huge mass of people in Birmingham and Leeds itching to commute to London on a high speed rail network. The idea of 'the big london meeting' and having to do most of your business face to face IS dying. Aside from conventions I don't meet any of our clients and they pay us hundreds of thousands a year.
Edit: @Shikasama People have been predicting the need for transport and offices to be soon redundant since as long as I can remember, and while working from home is now a lot more common than it once was (in certain industries at least), we've still got a busier transport network than ever.
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SClaw 826 posts
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Registered 3 years agoWhile this has a lot of merit in its own right, the real reason I want this to go ahead is to give a massive middle finger to all the bastards opposing it.
I know a couple who are. Ohhhhh I’m sooooo sorry that a train track is being built within half a mile of your fucking mansion in your fucking posh arse village where they look at me like I dropped out of someone’s nose. I’m sure it’ll get right in the way when you’re driving one of your several BMWs to your fucking cattery you hard done by TWATS.
To be honest I don’t mind them objecting. It would bother me too if I lived there, but let’s not pretend it’s about the environment, eh? Be honest. It’s about your house price. -
@Shikasama Depends who you work for. In mainland Europe it's pretty much unacceptable to work remotely. I get called over to the arse end of France constantly for one or two hour meetings - a trip which pointlessly costs thousands of euros and takes me out of the office for ages. Can't we use bloody skype? No... apparently not. It's not the same?!?
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