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  • GiarcYekrub 10 Jan 2012 16:57:55 4,484 posts
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    There should be high speed main trunk that serve nodes(or cities) these nodes should provide a connections to the local networks

    The strange thing is I hold The Dragon Age series up as example of diversity and choice, the fact that the brothels in DA service everybody, male/female with multiple options, to remove the brothels is a step backwards for diversity IMO

  • dsmx 10 Jan 2012 17:04:13 7,877 posts
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    Well a while back someone got me a copy of bradshaws railway map from 1907 if you want to be really depressed about how coverage has fallen I could post a picture of that, according to the book their was 23000 miles of track in this country at that point.

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  • X201 10 Jan 2012 17:05:14 16,088 posts
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    GiarcYekrub wrote:
    There should be high speed main trunk that serve nodes(or cities) these nodes should provide a connections to the local networks
    I think that's what you'll end up with eventually, but you need to build the first sections in order to build the rest.

    When fully built this will become the West Coast Mainline. Then the existing East Coast Mainline will get upgraded and you'll have the basic network. It will take ages and cost loads though. but it needs doing.
  • dsmx 10 Jan 2012 17:07:25 7,877 posts
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    It took them 85 years to build the epic rail network we used to have with a bunch of workman and explosives however back then you could just build whatever you wanted nearly and they couldn't stop you. These days we have so many pressure groups and insane planning regulations that getting anything built is an achievement in itself.

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  • faux-C 11 Jan 2012 00:43:28 9,943 posts
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    I don't often agree with Simon Jenkins, but this time I do.
  • Khanivor 11 Jan 2012 01:00:30 41,574 posts
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    It does seem like a lot of money for not a lot of payback.

    Well, unless you are going to be getting one of the contracts. Then it will be fucking awesome.

    Canny though, finding a project with which to siphon public money into a few private hands which will get the blessing, or at least apathy, of the lefty types as it's based on a topic they traditionally get moist over.
  • FWB 11 Jan 2012 01:01:26 47,154 posts
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    Said it before, but 32billion well worth spent if it annoys Tory Middle-England.
  • FairgroundTown 11 Jan 2012 09:45:39 2,522 posts
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    Simon Jenkins on HS2.

    (He is against it.)
  • GiarcYekrub 28 Jan 2013 16:48:09 4,484 posts
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    Looks like they are going to build a Station up the road from my Parents, they live in Long Eaton which is really close to Toton.

    The strange thing is I hold The Dragon Age series up as example of diversity and choice, the fact that the brothels in DA service everybody, male/female with multiple options, to remove the brothels is a step backwards for diversity IMO

  • Psychotext 28 Jan 2013 16:57:51 56,531 posts
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    Is there a proposed map for this anywhere?
  • GiarcYekrub 28 Jan 2013 17:00:20 4,484 posts
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    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-21232762

    The strange thing is I hold The Dragon Age series up as example of diversity and choice, the fact that the brothels in DA service everybody, male/female with multiple options, to remove the brothels is a step backwards for diversity IMO

  • Psychotext 28 Jan 2013 17:01:13 56,531 posts
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    Thanks.
  • TheSaint 28 Jan 2013 17:12:17 15,199 posts
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    Shikasama wrote:
    I don't understand why it isn't going up to Newcastle
    Probably because that would be too sensible.
  • oceanmotion 28 Jan 2013 17:17:42 16,283 posts
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    So about 100 billion when they finish.
  • Bremenacht 28 Jan 2013 17:30:02 20,804 posts
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    100 fucking billion? Where's the money for it coming from btw? I've not read anything about it.
  • oceanmotion 28 Jan 2013 17:43:43 16,283 posts
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    Actually 30 billion, but you know what inevitably happens is what I mean.
  • faux-C 28 Jan 2013 17:43:57 9,943 posts
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    What's going to happen to the mainlines which run parallel to HS2? Any chance they'll become cheap?
  • FWB 28 Jan 2013 17:53:24 47,154 posts
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    Hahahaha. You're so cute, faux. So very, very cute.


    I'm all for these lines. Plaster the country with them. Whatever pisses off the inbred, DM reading, Tory voting country wankers.
  • Bremenacht 28 Jan 2013 18:06:24 20,804 posts
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    oceanmotion wrote:
    Actually 30 billion, but you know what inevitably happens is what I mean.
    Oh ok. I did actually mean 'where is the money coming from'! Is it PFI or direct from government?.

    Know what you're saying though.
  • DaM 28 Jan 2013 18:15:27 13,776 posts
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    faux_carnation wrote:
    What's going to happen to the mainlines which run parallel to HS2? Any chance they'll become cheap?
    FWB wrote:
    Hahahaha. You're so cute, faux. So very, very cute.
    Actually that's precisely what they did in France with the HGV, so it would be used by everyone and not just businessmen and well off. Unlikely to be repeated here, no learning from history :)

    TGV Wiki.

    122 million users in 2009. I don't know why they don't just ask the French to do it for us, TGVUK, they clearly know what they are doing. They seemed to build theirs very quickly in chunks. With the timelines being put out for this, half of us will be dead before it's ready.

    Edited by DaM at 18:16:25 28-01-2013
  • mal 28 Jan 2013 18:56:05 23,423 posts
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    DaM wrote:
    I don't know why they don't just ask the French to do it for us, TGVUK, they clearly know what they are doing. They seemed to build theirs very quickly in chunks. With the timelines being put out for this, half of us will be dead before it's ready.
    If I learned anything from my years at EG, it's that planning regulations between the UK and France are very different. France basically pay everyone a fair market rate plus a bit for the houses and land they're going to take up, while the UK pays significantly less and expects you to go to court if you want any more, which obviously takes a while before actual building can start.

    That's probably massively oversimplified, if not flat out wrong, but you've no one to blame but yourselves, EG hive mind, if so.

    Edit: @Shikasama People have been predicting the need for transport and offices to be soon redundant since as long as I can remember, and while working from home is now a lot more common than it once was (in certain industries at least), we've still got a busier transport network than ever.

    Edited by mal at 18:59:41 28-01-2013

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  • Deleted user 29 January 2013 00:57:44
    £32 billion on existing rail system + digital communications + a nice little packet for me = why HS2?
  • Fab4 29 Jan 2013 08:12:21 6,437 posts
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    Its either better transport links or start to plan for a 2nd tier to London. And the underground cities of science fiction become reality :D
  • SClaw 29 Jan 2013 08:29:48 826 posts
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    While this has a lot of merit in its own right, the real reason I want this to go ahead is to give a massive middle finger to all the bastards opposing it.

    I know a couple who are. Ohhhhh Iím sooooo sorry that a train track is being built within half a mile of your fucking mansion in your fucking posh arse village where they look at me like I dropped out of someoneís nose. Iím sure itíll get right in the way when youíre driving one of your several BMWs to your fucking cattery you hard done by TWATS.

    To be honest I donít mind them objecting. It would bother me too if I lived there, but letís not pretend itís about the environment, eh? Be honest. Itís about your house price.
  • SClaw 29 Jan 2013 08:32:39 826 posts
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    @Shikasama Depends who you work for. In mainland Europe it's pretty much unacceptable to work remotely. I get called over to the arse end of France constantly for one or two hour meetings - a trip which pointlessly costs thousands of euros and takes me out of the office for ages. Can't we use bloody skype? No... apparently not. It's not the same?!?
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