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  • graysonavich 27 Jan 2013 15:48:02 7,320 posts
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    I think it's a generation thing.
  • ecureuil 27 Jan 2013 15:48:57 76,726 posts
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    Because fans want a long term improvement from their team. Winning the FA Cup is good, but it doesn't really mean anything once you've had your party. Portsmouth won it a few years ago and look at them now. Getting a higher league position is more important, especially if you can crack the top 4 and get in to Europe. It'll bring far more money in to the club and will attract a high calibre of player for a better long term future.
  • THFourteen 27 Jan 2013 15:50:03 33,191 posts
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    lolbika
  • kalel 27 Jan 2013 15:51:14 87,000 posts
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    It was getting rid of the Cup Winner's cup that killed the FA Cup for me. The likes of Spurs and Arsenal expect to get into Europa anyway, and don't even care whether they're there anyway. So all you're left with is a "trophy" which is nice and all, but trophies symbolise wining a competition of worth. If the competition is devalued, who cares about a trophy?
  • Deleted user 27 January 2013 15:54:37
    Should just abolish all competitions and go straight into the CL based on how much money a team has.
  • SolidSCB 27 Jan 2013 15:56:28 6,589 posts
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    The expansion of the Champions League killed it really. No one with a sniff of getting into that top 4 can really risk an awful lot on a competition that has no real future benefit to the club. Shite way of thinking, but that's the way it is.
  • Blotto 27 Jan 2013 15:57:10 2,774 posts
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    I don't think it's been devalued as much as you think, for me anyway. I also don't think that a cup run will really affect your top four ambitions as much as has been suggested. For these lower rounds there's a fair bit of rotation so we're looking at maybe 3 games extra for the whole first team.

    Players want trophies. Fans want trophies. Managers want trophies. Sure you want to keep improving but teams like Spurs, Arsenal etc are more than capable of doing both and should really have the squad depth to deal with the extra games.
  • StarchildHypocrethes 27 Jan 2013 15:57:25 25,608 posts
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    People that don't care about the FA Cup make me sad.

    Anyway, Spurslol.
  • Syrette 27 Jan 2013 15:57:57 43,312 posts
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    The-Bodybuilder wrote:
    morriss wrote:
    YES! BEATING A LEAGUE TWO SIDE YES!
    Just to nicely remind morriss what he's in for if Spurs lose.
    Of course Leeds aren'r a league 2 side. But then again, Neither were Brighton.
    You can get it out now.

  • TheSaint 27 Jan 2013 16:00:51 14,303 posts
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    Blotto wrote:
    I don't get why you wouldn't want care about the F.A Cup, unless you're United or City it's realistically the only thing you have a chance of winning that actually matters.
    Well for the bottom half of the Premier League staying up matters far more, while the top six or eight teams all have an eye on fourth place. In the end that leaves only a handful of teams who are willing to play anything like full strength sides.

    Same goes for The Championship where the top ten or so teams are all eyeing promotion and don't need the distraction.
  • captbirdseye 27 Jan 2013 16:01:03 4,868 posts
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    Its decline started when Utd pulled out of it a few years ago and since then it's just gradually got worse. They should give a Champions League place for winning it rather than 4th spot.

    Edited by captbirdseye at 16:02:02 27-01-2013
  • SuperCoolEskimo 27 Jan 2013 16:01:53 9,779 posts
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    morriss wrote:
    YES! BEATING A LEAGUE TWO SIDE YES!
    Hehe, gotta love the Spuds.
  • Deleted user 27 January 2013 16:02:48
    :)
  • Whizzo 27 Jan 2013 16:03:23 43,091 posts
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    Chortle.

    Oh and Lollerpool strikes already.

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  • captbirdseye 27 Jan 2013 16:04:44 4,868 posts
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    Everytime i've seen Coates he's looked utter garbage.
  • SolidSCB 27 Jan 2013 16:07:01 6,589 posts
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    I don't think teams go out and don't 'try'. But as has been said earlier, the top teams usually send out a mishmash of first team/utility players expecting to do just about enough to progress while resting their key players and a lot of the time it doesn't really work.

    Also, Liverplol.
  • The-Bodybuilder 27 Jan 2013 16:08:09 14,136 posts
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    Syrette wrote:
    The-Bodybuilder wrote:
    morriss wrote:
    YES! BEATING A LEAGUE TWO SIDE YES!
    Just to nicely remind morriss what he's in for if Spurs lose.
    Of course Leeds aren'r a league 2 side. But then again, Neither were Brighton.
    You can get it out now.
    Seems like I should wait and get lollerpool thrown in for free too.
  • captbirdseye 27 Jan 2013 16:18:19 4,868 posts
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    Good game this
  • superdelphinus 27 Jan 2013 16:34:59 8,049 posts
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    Love how half the Oldham players have beer bellies
  • THFourteen 27 Jan 2013 16:35:03 33,191 posts
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    Apart from Portsmouth you have to go back to 1995 to find a team who won the fa cup who weren't Utd, City, Arsenal, Chelsea or Liverpool.

    So the big teams must try hard enough.
  • Syrette 27 Jan 2013 16:41:46 43,312 posts
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    @THFourteen

    No, the gap between the 'big' teams and the others has increased since '95. The big teams don't have to try too hard, to progress through the competition. Putting out weakened sides etc can occasionally backfire on clubs but for the most part they'll have enough to get through anyway

  • kalel 27 Jan 2013 16:45:54 87,000 posts
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    Didn't Everton win it reasonably recently?
  • Tom_Servo 27 Jan 2013 16:49:25 17,547 posts
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    Lollerpool again!
  • Deleted user 27 January 2013 16:49:59
    For those that watched the game today, 19 year old left back Sam Byram, who kept Bale pretty quiet thought, was a complete unknown at the start of this season. To come out of nowhere and keep Jarvis, Zaha and Bale all, relatively speaking, in his pocket this season, is remarkable.
  • THFourteen 27 Jan 2013 16:50:27 33,191 posts
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    @Syrette I think its down to the high influx of French players into our league TBH, utterly ruining the FA Cup for everybody
  • THFourteen 27 Jan 2013 16:51:10 33,191 posts
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    After expecting nothing apart from perhaps a lucky leeds draw today, 5 hours of football so far has been really good!
  • kalel 27 Jan 2013 16:57:13 87,000 posts
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    To say he had Bale in his pocket is a bit of an overstatement. Bale was being quite rapey in the second half in particular. Shame we had no strikers to capitalise.

    All due credit to Leeds though. Were the better side.
  • Tom_Servo 27 Jan 2013 16:59:15 17,547 posts
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    Oh that really is awful from Jones.
  • Deleted user 27 January 2013 17:03:51
    kalel wrote:
    To say he had Bale in his pocket is a bit of an overstatement. Bale was being quite rapey in the second half in particular. Shame we had no strikers to capitalise.

    All due credit to Leeds though. Were the better side.
    Well that's why I said relatively speaking. For a first year scholar, though, that was a highly commendable performance. Although apart from the cross which led to the Dempsey goal, Bale's end product was lacking today. Your stand-in central defence looked ropey.
  • Tom_Servo 27 Jan 2013 17:07:58 17,547 posts
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    Oh my.
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