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  • FWB 29 Nov 2011 22:06:38 44,572 posts
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    I've got a student who is a qualified Thai chef. He wants to apply for a work permit (he's already doing the job under the table). What does the government say? A Brit can do the job. No go for foreign (non-EU) chefs in this country anymore. And if you do want to work here, you need to be "skilled" with an income of 150k. Yep, 150k.

    How many "native" Brits do you know that specialise in Thai food?
  • Syrette 29 Nov 2011 22:06:40 43,454 posts
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    They're full of double standards. Like I said that guy above is a Sunderland fan, a team full of different races and ethnicities. He'll cheer them on a Saturday afternoon yet attack people like them on a Sunday?

  • uiruki 29 Nov 2011 22:09:56 3,702 posts
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    FWB wrote:
    I've got a student who is a qualified Thai chef. He wants to apply for a work permit (he's already doing the job under the table). What does the government say? A Brit can do the job. No go for foreign (non-EU) chefs in this country anymore. And if you do want to work here, you need to be "skilled" with an income of 150k. Yep, 150k.

    How many "native" Brits do you know that specialise in Thai food?
  • FWB 29 Nov 2011 22:17:44 44,572 posts
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    :) Tis a classic sketch.
  • nickthegun 29 Nov 2011 22:18:40 59,912 posts
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    FWB wrote:

    How many "native" Brits do you know that specialise in Thai food?
    I would be willing to bet it runs into the hundreds.

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  • FWB 29 Nov 2011 22:24:49 44,572 posts
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    And how many Thai restaurants and chefs do you think are needed? So many guys working there are doing it illegally. There is a shortage.
  • yegon 29 Nov 2011 22:25:31 5,269 posts
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    Along with blaming others for their own inadequacies, people with similar opinions to the slaaags in the original post seem to be under the impression that we'd live in a wonderful society if ethnic minorities/non-whites were absent from these shores. Funny, considering that 95% of the anti-social behaviour I've seen both at work (railway) and outside of work has been perpetrated by white, predominantly male, 16-40 year olds....and I've seen a LOT of fairly despicable behaviour at work.

    I detest all benefit cheats equally, but I'd be very interested to see the proportion of whites on benefits relative to ethnic minorities. Heavily populated by the former methinks. I can only assume these poor fellows can't get a job as those pesky foreigners got there first...completely ignoring the fact that so often these same dolies are from multi-generational families of dolies. Has there REALLY been no jobs for you and yours for over 30+ years?!!!!

    The only real issue I have is that we're massively overpopulated, which seems to become more evident every passing day. I'm one of those weird people that loves working on holidays to get a day off in lieu - the roads are reasonably quiet, queues are shorter (assuming it's not a shopping centre/sale) and no-one seems to bother you as so many assume everyone is off. Bliss.

    Err, I'm an extremely pale cracker by the way, in case any one thinks I'm a naughty immigrant racist against whites....
  • FWB 29 Nov 2011 22:28:24 44,572 posts
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    There ARE jobs. I know this for a fact, because it takes my students, new in the country with limited English and no social networks - weeks, if that, - to find them. Of course they are menial and the local population thinks they are too good for them.
  • shamblemonkee 29 Nov 2011 22:29:12 14,387 posts
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    http://www.outlineproductions.co.uk/catalogue_detail.aspx?program=191

    There is no such thing as pure Englishness. The Cross of St. George is merely a flag of convenience for an array of other nationalities and races who have combined in a two millennia-old melting pot to create the country in which we live.

    Whether its genetic and genealogical heritage, language, place names, buildings, culture, food, money, commerce, Christian and surnames, key institutions, humour, religion, art, events practically all the components of our national heritage and identity come from abroad. In three hours of television, Eddie Izzard demonstrates how all of these cornerstones of the English way of life are foreign in their origin.


    .... says it all for me... there's no such thing as 'true british', the only similarity is that she really was a mongrel...

    Edited by shamblemonkee at 22:31:12 29-11-2011
  • yegon 29 Nov 2011 22:35:32 5,269 posts
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    FWB wrote:
    There ARE jobs. I know this for a fact, because it takes my students, new in the country with limited English and no social networks - weeks, if that, - to find them. Of course they are menial and the local population thinks they are too good for them.
    Yup, that's always been my impression. In my student days I had multiple menial jobs, never hard to come by. Don't really see how similar jobs could have disappeared in the ten years since.

    Edited by yegon at 22:36:48 29-11-2011
  • FWB 29 Nov 2011 22:38:14 44,572 posts
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    You know, if you're diligent and hardworking you can start on the shop floor and work your way up. It is possible, so those crappy jobs are not always a dead end street. Plus, in this day and age I'd have a lot more respect for someone working them while trying to find something better than sitting on the dole hoping to become a banker.

    Of course not all natives are lazy bums.
  • Deleted user 29 November 2011 22:47:59
    There's jobs everywhere!!
  • FWB 29 Nov 2011 22:48:51 44,572 posts
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    They'll be one in the Fulham Broadway area soon too.
  • MrDigital 29 Nov 2011 23:06:40 1,866 posts
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    Greggywocky... wrote:
    To be fair though, I still think the UK is the most racially tolerant country in Europe.

    (Though that opinion is no reason for complacency, or to tolerate these scumbags, obviously)
    I wouldn't be sure about that. I don't think there's a great deal of racism (relatively at least) in the lefty Scandinavian countries.

    Formerly TheStylishHobo and Geesh.

  • cheeky_prawnking 29 Nov 2011 23:07:32 4,574 posts
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  • heyyo 29 Nov 2011 23:12:03 14,373 posts
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    yegon wrote:
    FWB wrote:
    There ARE jobs. I know this for a fact, because it takes my students, new in the country with limited English and no social networks - weeks, if that, - to find them. Of course they are menial and the local population thinks they are too good for them.
    Yup, that's always been my impression. In my student days I had multiple menial jobs, never hard to come by. Don't really see how similar jobs could have disappeared in the ten years since.
    Menial jobs are easy to come by when you're a student, I worked in a shop, a call centre and a charity volunteer (unpaid). However, as soon as you become a graduate these jobs effectively disappear as employers don't think you'll stick around and want somebody who will remain dead end in a dead end job for 2 or 3 years minimum so they don't have to go recruiting all over again soon.

    The job centre staff call it 'being overqualified'. You think all these millions of graduates (myself inc) you hear are desperate for jobs, ie., indepedence, the opp to get out of the house, to feel useful, MONEY!!. would be sat at home applying for 10 jobs a day & crying on the news - if they could just go and clean floors?

    Instead we have to fight it out for oversaturated 'graduate jobs' that in reality need as much brain power as cleaning toilets, just the 2.1 requirement is a nice little filter.

    Edited by heyyo at 23:16:44 29-11-2011
  • FWB 29 Nov 2011 23:19:43 44,572 posts
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    My students are graduates, heyyo. They're still working those cleaning jobs.

    I recently had a qualified Vet working as a rickshaw driver in London. He never once complained about the work.

    I've taught qualified engineers, doctors, scientists, uni professors and, of course, others. But still most with at least a degree.

    I'm not saying there are jobs galore, and probably in the higher echelons you're going to struggle, but there is work. As for the graduate jobs being short... well that's what you get when everyone goes to uni to do a media studies course. A saturated "graduate" pool.

    Edited by FWB at 23:27:15 29-11-2011
  • heyyo 29 Nov 2011 23:20:40 14,373 posts
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    GIVE JOB!
  • MrDigital 29 Nov 2011 23:23:07 1,866 posts
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    Graveland wrote:
    Perhaps the problem with the UK, and more specifically England, is that Nationalism is such a dirty word? Surely this will only create a feeling of resentment and highlight perceived double-standards?
    Not directly related, but we do have a complicated history with nationalism don't we? We can be nationalistic, but for what nation in our nation of nations :D

    Formerly TheStylishHobo and Geesh.

  • heyyo 29 Nov 2011 23:35:35 14,373 posts
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    FWB wrote:
    My students are graduates, heyyo. They're still working those cleaning jobs.

    I recently had a qualified Vet working as a rickshaw driver in London. He never once complained about the work.

    I've taught qualified engineers, doctors, scientists, uni professors and, of course, others. But still most with at least a degree.

    I'm not saying there are jobs galore, and probably in the higher echelons you're going to struggle, but there is work. As for the graduate jobs being short... well that's what you get when everyone goes to uni to do a media studies course. A saturated "graduate" pool.
    I do wonder how people new to this country secure low paid work as quickly as they do tbh, I've see quite a few fly-on-the-wall docu of new immigrants most recently on BBC3 get work literally within a week and it isn't prearranged work either.

    Is that employers think they'll stick around in a dead end job for longer despite being overqualified? Hear a native accent and stereotype us (me) thinking we are lazy or really wants to work in an office?

    Yes. Don't get me started on those worthless degrees.
  • FWB 29 Nov 2011 23:43:29 44,572 posts
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    TBH I couldn't tell you in detail. Just going by countless observations and brief chats. From what I see they're just running around throwing their CVs out and trying to establish networks. Some will of course do it through their fellow nationals. For example the Thai students never get anything outside of massage parlors and restaurants. Probably also to do with the fact that their English is usually pretty bad especially their pronunciation.

    Au pairing is another option, but that usually requires being female and families may ask for a foreign language for their kids... but that's not always the case.

    But here are loads of them working in coffee shops, restaurants and shops. Some of them even work their way up. If an employer thinks they'll stick around then they're an idiot and aren't paying much attention. Immigrants, like the rest of us humans, do not aspire to find a dead end job and sit there. They've traveled across the world to make a better life for themselves and they're not going to settle for some shitty job for the rest of their life if they've come this far. They see it as a stop gap too. We're talking about very driven individuals here. Of course their bums from every country, but the E.European ones are sitting in E.Europe.

    I remember reading on here how someone said that Polish girls all seemed to take care of themselves more than many English girls. Well that's because the Polish girls you're seeing here are the ones who want to do something with their life. Polish chavs are sitting in Poland being racist. Of course some immigrants will come here demanding freebies, but it's not the majority.

    Edited by FWB at 23:48:56 29-11-2011
  • localnotail 29 Nov 2011 23:44:35 23,093 posts
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    jonsaan wrote:
    She's clearly deranged. What's with the 'I'll have you Butler' face she keeps pulling.
    Bad coke gurning, as others have said.

    A strange game. The only winning move is not to play.

  • heyyo 29 Nov 2011 23:59:05 14,373 posts
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    FWB wrote:
    But here are loads of them working in coffee shops, restaurants and shops. Some of them even work their way up. If an employer thinks they'll stick around then they're an idiot and aren't paying much attention. Immigrants, like the rest of us humans, do not aspire to find a dead end job and sit there. They've traveled across the world to make a better life for themselves and they're not going to settle for some shitty job for the rest of their life if they've come this far. They see it as a stop gap too. We're talking about very driven individuals here. Of course their bums from every country, but the E.European ones are sitting in E.Europe.
    DEfinately, when I was living out at the start of the year finishing off my final year at uni I lived with 1 German PhD student, 1 Dutch PhD student & his Hungarian gf MA student ... absolutely driven, in studies, intent, everything.

    The 2 PhD students were assistant lecturers, but the girl finally got a job in a Body shop - bear in mind this is a tiny university town with 1 body shop and loads home students (I remember telling the girls on my course that my housemate worked in /that/ body shop and, the jealousy, boy.) all applying for work in said shop.

    The employer must have been an absolute mug if they thought she'd stick around...but I can't help but think that's the reason she won the job. Most of the shops there had EU students and I know for a fact that home students far outnumbered the EU students applying.

    Edited by heyyo at 00:01:51 30-11-2011
  • FWB 30 Nov 2011 00:05:42 44,572 posts
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    May be interviewed better? More articulate? Better reputation for working hard which since, as I've said, they've traveled across the world to be there, is probably not without cause. They are seriously driven.

    Of course that's unfair on the hardworking, diligent locals. Guess your/our compatriots are giving us a bad name but I'm not convinced that employers don't try and find natives. My dad says he put up an advert for some programmer at the National Archives. Up for a while, interviewed a few, but eventually looked abroad and picked up a Brazilian from New Zealand (yes, she moved over from there just for the job) over Skype because, in his own words, she was the only person who could do the job who applied for it. He says he really did look in the UK, but nothing. It's not that he wasn't even willing to take a punt on someone, he couldn't find anyone close to fitting the role.

    Edited by FWB at 00:07:58 30-11-2011
  • mal 30 Nov 2011 00:07:36 22,531 posts
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    It depends if you've already started a career though - taking a menial job and then trying to get back into your career might not look good, plus working 9-5 means you're not nearly as available to interview for any positons that come up.

    But I accept that it's not really people with a stalled career that we're talking about here.

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