Celebrity Paedogeddon (now feat. other celeb sex offences) Page 105

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  • Dirtbox 4 Mar 2014 14:38:57 89,099 posts
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  • Dougs 4 Mar 2014 14:44:53 83,121 posts
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    jonvital wrote:
    @Dougs If you're going down that route then surely you have to include people who view terrorist execution vids etc.

    I just dont think that arguement holds up
    But viewing those isn't illegal, I don't think. Child sex abuse imagery is.

    Edited by Dougs at 14:45:06 04-03-2014
  • Deleted user 4 March 2014 15:09:56
    Er, no, torturing, mutilating and killing someone is illegal.

    Also viewing snuff videos is most certainly also illegal, which is a better point of comparison here. If the purpose of the torture was to create a video of it, then viewing of that material is also illegal.
  • Dougs 4 Mar 2014 15:21:12 83,121 posts
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    Yeah, that's a better comparison.

    There was the whole Facebook beheadings thing a while back, some arguing that they should be permitted by FB as it raises awareness etc.
  • Dirtbox 4 Mar 2014 15:32:56 89,099 posts
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  • Dougs 4 Mar 2014 16:07:07 83,121 posts
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    Heh, true enough. Freedom of expression and all that is the argument.
  • DaM 4 Mar 2014 16:18:49 16,753 posts
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    Dirtbox wrote:
    Raises awareness to the fact you no longer need that person on your friends list.
    Yup, beheadings or kittens/angels/repost if you hate cancer posts, all in the same book IMO.
  • mrpon 4 Mar 2014 18:00:12 33,478 posts
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    I saw a dehanding in the paper the other day, but the dehandee requested the punishment.

    Grey area?
  • brokenkey 4 Mar 2014 19:43:28 8,964 posts
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    kalel wrote:
    Er, no, torturing, mutilating and killing someone is illegal.

    Also viewing snuff videos is most certainly also illegal, which is a better point of comparison here. If the purpose of the torture was to create a video of it, then viewing of that material is also illegal.
    It's only illegal if it's pornography, which it might be, if they can prove that it was made for the purposes of sexual fulfilment of the viewer - this is why a film like Irreversable is legal, but if you clipped the rape scene and posted it on iwanktorapevideos.com, it would be illegal to own.

    A more interesting way of looking at weirdness in the law:

    Killing someone is illegal. Filming it and viewing a video of a murder is not (see one-punch-kill man)

    Two consensual adults having a bit of rough hanky panky, not illegal. Filming it for their own consumption - illegal.
  • Dirtbox 4 Mar 2014 21:21:46 89,099 posts
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  • Lukus 4 Mar 2014 22:56:57 20,790 posts
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    brokenkey wrote:
    kalel wrote:


    Two consensual adults having a bit of rough hanky panky, not illegal. Filming it for their own consumption - illegal.
    Really?
  • Lukus 4 Mar 2014 23:04:42 20,790 posts
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    Fuck knows what I've done to the tags, but that's me asking really?
  • Syrette 4 Mar 2014 23:06:06 48,968 posts
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    Is it really?
  • Dougs 5 Mar 2014 07:10:25 83,121 posts
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    I guess it would depend on what you mean by rough.
  • RyanDS 5 Mar 2014 07:28:13 11,612 posts
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    Lukus wrote:
    brokenkey wrote:
    kalel wrote:


    Two consensual adults having a bit of rough hanky panky, not illegal. Filming it for their own consumption - illegal.
    Really?
    Yep.

    Crazy.
  • sport 5 Mar 2014 08:37:17 13,927 posts
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    RyanDS wrote:
    Lukus wrote:
    brokenkey wrote:
    kalel wrote:


    Two consensual adults having a bit of rough hanky panky, not illegal. Filming it for their own consumption - illegal.
    Really?
    Yep.

    Crazy.
    Really?

    Edited by sport at 08:37:45 05-03-2014
  • Deleted user 5 March 2014 08:39:49
    I believe there's a bit of a fine line whether "rough hanky panky" is actually legal whether you're filming it or not. Wasn't there loads about this being debated when that whole Barrymore thing happened? I seem to remember him being accused of doing illegal things even if it was consensual.
  • Dougs 5 Mar 2014 08:41:54 83,121 posts
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    As with all legislation, the only true test is in court. I doubt there have been many BDSM cases where both filming it and the act as consensual. I do know that depictions of rape will be/have been made illegal, but that's not quite the same as BDSM.
  • RyanDS 5 Mar 2014 08:47:22 11,612 posts
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    Iirc it is along the lines of the act itself not the filming that is problematic. Essentially bdsm is a form of assault and even if you consent it still counts as assault. 

    Stupid law.
  • mrpon 5 Mar 2014 08:48:04 33,478 posts
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    JULIET BRAVO!
  • spindle9988 5 Mar 2014 09:38:20 4,573 posts
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    Dougs wrote:
    Yeah, that's a better comparison.

    There was the whole Facebook beheadings thing a while back, some arguing that they should be permitted by FB as it raises awareness etc.
    I saw one of these come up on my news feed. Couldnt believe it was being shown tbh. The whole thing of raising awareness is bollocks, if you read the comments on these posts they are just full of twats glorifdying it and laughing and joking. I saw one come up (which I thought was like a skateboarding fail video) with a father holding his dead son who had just been been brutally murdered. People were commenting on it like it was a comedy, I complained to fb straight away, disgusted
  • captain_markyboy 5 Mar 2014 09:49:56 819 posts
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  • captain_markyboy 5 Mar 2014 09:51:03 819 posts
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    Agreed. I had a look at that best gore site once.
    The comments on there are amazing, these freaks actually love it.
  • brokenkey 5 Mar 2014 11:33:10 8,964 posts
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    Dougs wrote:
    As with all legislation, the only true test is in court. I doubt there have been many BDSM cases where both filming it and the act as consensual. I do know that depictions of rape will be/have been made illegal, but that's not quite the same as BDSM.
    The most recent high profile case featured a chappy called Simon Walsh ( #porntrial on twitter) who filmed gay fisting videos with his clients. The Extreme porn legislation has a thing about damage to anuses, and they decided to prosecute him. The jury decided he was not guilty (but the point being the CPS felt it had a case).

    New new anti-rape porn extension:
    https://www.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/277731/fact-sheet-offence-extreme-pornography.pdf
    would covers role-play - so even if the video is topped and tailed by interviews with the actors, it might still be the subject of a prosecution if the CPS can't find anything else to stick on you.

    Myles Jackman on twitter is an interesting account to follow on this subject.
  • DaM 5 Mar 2014 11:46:28 16,753 posts
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    Will someone think of the bicycles?!

    I always felt a bit sorry for this guy.
  • twelveways 5 Mar 2014 11:47:34 7,129 posts
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    What if I abused myself and filmed it?
  • DaM 5 Mar 2014 11:56:21 16,753 posts
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    twelveways wrote:
    What if I abused myself and filmed it?
    I think that would be fine. Maybe start a new thread for it?
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