Paedogeddon - Jimmy Savile and other celebs Page 90

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  • cheeky_prawnking 28 Nov 2013 20:53:31 4,457 posts
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    @McEwan fair enough I read your post as him being innocent which I don't think he was.
  • superdelphinus 28 Nov 2013 20:53:36 8,050 posts
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    Dirtbox wrote:
    So we should destroy everything on the grounds that the person that created it was undoubtedly guilty of thought crime? Brilliant.
    Attempted rape is a thought crime?
  • Dirtbox 28 Nov 2013 20:55:32 77,712 posts
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    BillCityfingers wrote:
    @Dirtbox In an age where we're all so connected it's no surprise. Then again, crime has always been a spectacle. The only difference is we're not seeing him dragged to the noose and get the chance to throw cabbages at him.
    It's gone a bit further than that though, hasn't it? It's caused people to speculate on who is and isn't a paedophile without thought to the damage that'll do, it's made communities look in all the wrong places for danger where none, or at least very little, exists. It's scaremongering at it's finest and as your link illustrates, it's cost a life.

    Edited by Dirtbox at 20:57:25 28-11-2013

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  • Dirtbox 28 Nov 2013 20:58:16 77,712 posts
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    superdelphinus wrote:
    Dirtbox wrote:
    So we should destroy everything on the grounds that the person that created it was undoubtedly guilty of thought crime? Brilliant.
    Attempted rape is a thought crime?
    Wasn't that well after he worked on the albums?

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  • cheeky_prawnking 28 Nov 2013 20:59:30 4,457 posts
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    To be honest if we didn't listen to those who have committed some form of crime there would be very little if not nothing to listen to. To a degree you separate the artist from the person, just depends how far you go. I believe some John Lennon songs were banned from the radio because they were produced by Phil Spector. You could argue about not listening to Lennon because of his attitude and wife beating ways.,

    Anyway not sure of the point but it's there somewhere
  • Dirtbox 28 Nov 2013 21:01:13 77,712 posts
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    Lennon was a wife beater? I think he should be congratulated for that one.

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  • Deleted user 28 November 2013 21:02:43
    @Dirtbox I'm not disagreeing with you. But I do think when a public figure is involved it does need to be brought to light. It can't not be.

    There have always been lynch mobs. We may not be doing it with flaming torches and pitchforks but human beings will be human beings regardless.

    The only difference is we're hearing about everything more. There is and always has been mass hysteria. HG Wells would confirm that.

    You are right though, and I dislike this finger pointing soapbox mounting society we are, but it's the way we are. Chris Morris saw it correctly.
  • cheeky_prawnking 28 Nov 2013 21:02:51 4,457 posts
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    Sure that is true, but yeah if married to yoko can't blame him.
  • Dirtbox 28 Nov 2013 21:03:29 77,712 posts
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    Yeah I know, I'm just using your points to flesh mine out. I disagree about dragging it out en mass for the ridicule and delight of the public though. Shaming people doesn't change them, it just makes them more crafty.

    Edited by Dirtbox at 21:04:37 28-11-2013

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  • Deleted user 28 November 2013 21:05:19
    BillCityfingers wrote:
    Chris Morris saw it correctly.
    Cow cannons ahoy!
  • McEwan 28 Nov 2013 21:07:11 344 posts
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    @Dirtbox Just had a quick refresh on the points of that case. That one did go to trial and he was found not guilty. The polaroid was found in suspicious circumstances by an officer who also happened to find a lot of straight porn and books of photography at the same time. The family who's made the complaint (after they appeared on TV with Jacko) were found to have tried to blackmail other celebs.
  • McEwan 28 Nov 2013 21:09:32 344 posts
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    Lennon was a complete see you next Tuesday by all accounts. He pretty much disowned his son from his birth and was a terrible bully, even threatening suicide if Yoko left him. I'm only okay with public shaming IF they are found guilty beyond a reasonable doubt.
  • McEwan 28 Nov 2013 21:10:05 344 posts
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    @Ironlungs76 Smells like hammers!
  • Dirtbox 28 Nov 2013 21:11:07 77,712 posts
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    I'm sure that's probably true, but the photo remains.

    Quite probably it was sent to him as some sort of gift to be later used as leverage in some way. Who knows.

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  • Deleted user 28 November 2013 21:11:08
    @Ironlungs76 I wonder if Watkins will end up quadrospazzed on a life-glug?
  • Dirtbox 28 Nov 2013 21:12:39 77,712 posts
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    He's more likely to be thrown to the crowd and be ripped to pieces.

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  • McEwan 28 Nov 2013 21:12:56 344 posts
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    @Dirtbox Indeed - who knows what evil lurks in the hearts of men? Other than The Shadow, of course....
  • Deleted user 28 November 2013 21:14:25
    BillCityfingers wrote:
    @Ironlungs76 I wonder if Watkins will end up quadrospazzed on a life-glug?
    For one thing he will certainly be FUKD and BOMBD
  • Deleted user 28 November 2013 21:19:51
    It is jarring to think how controversial that paedophilia episode was, and how many complaints it received. When to think in recent events with all this Saville shit and now Watkins, people can't seem to get enough details about what's happened and quickly saddle up the crusade cat, riding into battle with their iphones held aloft. It is just a bloody circus in the end.

    Edited by BillCityfingers at 21:53:23 28-11-2013
  • TVoJ 28 Nov 2013 21:21:55 1,860 posts
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    I've met Ian and he was a cock.

    I know people who are/were big butty's with him, and they are mostly cocks.

    I think what he's done is atrocious and if I saw him in the street after this he'd get one hell of a beating.

    But I'll still be listening to the Prophets first album because:
    A. I think it's good
    B. It reminds me of good times in my life

    Everything after that first album was emo tosh mind.

    As others have mentioned the band consisted of more than just Watkins, and they all collaborated on their albums so why on earth would you label it peado music and just cut it out of history? Do you think they're all at it?

    As others have stated, what he's done is bad, very very bad. The mothers however, I simply can't comprehend it, being a parent myself.

    As fucked up as Watkins is, Woman A and Woman B are fucking well gone!
  • rhubarbandcustard 28 Nov 2013 21:26:14 115 posts
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    Maybe asking the original question was insensitive, apologies if anyone was offended. But fuck, still can't believe he admitted to that stuff. Just blows my mind!
  • TVoJ 28 Nov 2013 21:26:31 1,860 posts
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    McEwan wrote:
    @Dirtbox Indeed - who knows what evil lurks in the hearts of men? Other than The Shadow, of course....
    Why did you have to quote my favourite band in this thread?
  • Dirtbox 28 Nov 2013 21:57:45 77,712 posts
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    I can't find it now. The court released a PDF listing incriminating stuff they found after his death that ranged from anatomical books to photography books with artistic nudes, as well as some gay porn and other things. Can't find it for the life of me though.

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  • Dirtbox 28 Nov 2013 22:00:22 77,712 posts
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    Oh, here it is http://www.sbscpublicaccess.org/docs/ctdocs/041905minuteorder.pdf

    Also http://www.sbscpublicaccess.org/docs/ctdocs/060804sdcontsheet.pdf

    Pfft, the list pages don't mention it, just evidence bags that aren't inventoried on it.

    Edited by Dirtbox at 22:05:48 28-11-2013

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  • onestepfromlost 28 Nov 2013 22:10:46 2,045 posts
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    TVoJ wrote:


    As others have mentioned the band consisted of more than just Watkins, and they all collaborated on their albums so why on earth would you label it peado music and just cut it out of history? Do you think they're all at it?
    From that webchat video posted a few pages back, I would think that they at least had suspicions if not had full knowledge of what he was up to.

    Edited by onestepfromlost at 22:11:06 28-11-2013
  • Dirtbox 28 Nov 2013 22:16:10 77,712 posts
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    Perhaps, but it's just as likely he was semi-open about it to the point where it became a running joke.

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  • McEwan 28 Nov 2013 22:20:35 344 posts
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    @TVoJ Band? I was referring to the comic!
  • TVoJ 28 Nov 2013 22:23:41 1,860 posts
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    I watched that video and yeah it was weird but I don't think the others really acknowledged what he said. Twas creepy tho.

    Like DB say he probably 'joked' a lot that he liked young girls and it became a bit of a theme.
  • RyanDS 28 Nov 2013 22:26:49 9,257 posts
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    Regarding listening to music from people like this I kind of agree with dirtbox. I will carry on listening as long as no money goes to them and they don't profit by me.  Saying that I have never heard list prophets so in their case the point is moot.
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