Paedogeddon - Jimmy Savile and other celebs Page 83

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  • Lukus 29 Aug 2013 14:59:37 19,037 posts
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    You just hear about it more. Cos it's sexy.

    Paintings & Photographs

  • DaM 29 Aug 2013 15:35:22 12,968 posts
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    Deckard1 wrote:
    localnotail wrote:
    @Deckard1 It was predominantly a family thing though (still is). But there seems to have been a rise in the predatory un-related offender in the last half of the 20th century.
    A rise in the predatory un-related offender being reported.
    Maybe they would have just had a good doing, and warned to stay away from kids/run out of town?

    My dad also thinks he worked next to Robert Black, notorious Scottish child murderer in the same town, when working for the Parks Dept as a student.
  • Kafeen 29 Aug 2013 23:08:14 552 posts
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    AceGrace wrote:
    Are none of our childhood heroes safe?

    Next it will be sooty!
    No, Sooty is a victim in all of this. He ways had Matthew Corbett's hand up his arse.
  • Youthist 29 Aug 2013 23:26:45 10,010 posts
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    localnotail wrote:
    @Deckard1 It was predominantly a family thing though (still is). But there seems to have been a rise in the predatory un-related offender in the last half of the 20th century.
    Is this based on any facts or evidence? Other than you just sort of coming up with it, like.

    Think of how stupid the average person is, and realise half of them are stupider than that

  • X201 29 Aug 2013 23:46:21 15,228 posts
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    I remember seeing the stats for the above and it was something ridiculous like 99.2% of offenders were either family members or very close non-family.
  • Oh-Bollox 30 Aug 2013 01:01:34 5,181 posts
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    It was the least favourite part of criminology for me, so I have little in the way of facts to hand, but it is overhwelmingly committed by family members, family friends, or family acquaintances.
  • localnotail 30 Aug 2013 08:49:52 23,093 posts
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    I've got nothing empirical to back it up with, just memories of conversations with the consultant I did my psychiatry block with back in the mid-90s, who was a specialist in paedophilia. Child abuse outside of the family is often about social disconnection and isolation. These factors may well be more likely with smaller families, social mobility reducing community engagement, increased parental working hours and a rise in single parent families, all of which have been more common since WW2.

    So, yeah, just coming up with it, but it is an educated guess.

    A strange game. The only winning move is not to play.

  • Youthist 30 Aug 2013 09:02:52 10,010 posts
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    And I suggest it has been going on forever, and it is only because we find out about it going on now being the reason it is now apparently or seemingly more widespread.

    Think of how stupid the average person is, and realise half of them are stupider than that

  • Rens11 30 Aug 2013 09:06:33 1,391 posts
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    I dunno I'd argue its likely to been pretty much the same pre and post war, just that its reported more often now with attitudes to children and their rights improving over the years.

    Dont kid yourself, Jimmy. If a cow ever got the chance, hed eat you and everyone you care about!

  • Load_2.0 30 Aug 2013 09:13:22 19,104 posts
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    Nah everyone wants to be famous, ohhhhhh I got wanked off by Rolf.

    I say put the fame seeking "victms" in the same cell as the nonce. That will stem the tide of abuse.
  • Shikasama 10 Sep 2013 15:46:28 6,709 posts
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    Kevin Webster has been cleared in court.

    Must be a weird feeling. First, freedom and the righteousness of being found not guilty. Then second, the realization that your life, career and family is utterly, utterly fucked.
  • LeoliansBro 10 Sep 2013 15:48:04 43,640 posts
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    I'm a bit ashamed to find that I just assumed he was guilty.

    LB, you really are a massive geek.

  • whatfruit 10 Sep 2013 15:49:40 1,408 posts
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    I thought he was too. I bet he was as well. Dirty Dirty brown anorak man.

    He won't be asked to babysit anytime soon.
  • Grax 10 Sep 2013 15:50:25 2,066 posts
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    i think everyone did, it was bound to happen though. They couldn't convict everyone on tv in the 80's

    i jsut hope for the girls sake she was making it up, would hate to think that someone (anyone) could get away with ruining someones life like that. Though if she did make it up, then the reverse is true
  • billythekid 10 Sep 2013 15:51:20 11,098 posts
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    Cleared but tarnished probably forever.
    It is seriously wrong how the accused has no right to anonymity before conviction. Although in high profile cases I don't see how the identity could be kept secret.
  • Psychotext 10 Sep 2013 15:52:25 53,915 posts
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    There will always be the suspicion.

    You really have to wonder what possessed the girl to go through with it (if he really, really was innocent).
  • Deckard1 10 Sep 2013 15:55:41 27,583 posts
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    Lack of enough evidence to convict doesn't necessarily mean he didn't do it. Not that I'm saying he did, but these things are near impossible to prove one way or the other.

    Hush you ponce

  • LeoliansBro 10 Sep 2013 16:03:20 43,640 posts
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    Every high profile conviction, they should arrest five celebrities, given the four unconnected ones 10k, and try the fifth behind closed doors.

    LB, you really are a massive geek.

  • Shikasama 10 Sep 2013 16:05:06 6,709 posts
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    Deckard1 wrote:
    Lack of enough evidence to convict doesn't necessarily mean he didn't do it. Not that I'm saying he did, but these things are near impossible to prove one way or the other.
    Which is pretty much the problem. Whenever I see his photo I see a paedo and that will probably the case forever.

    Even now that he has been declared innocent, people will always behave like he was guilty and just got away with it, despite it being the flimsiest of cases to begin with.
  • billythekid 10 Sep 2013 16:07:58 11,098 posts
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    It's quite unimaginable the extent to which his life is now fucked. Not being able to go anywhere without people giving dirty looks, shouting abuse or even physical attacks.
    Even after being totally acquitted he'll still be known as peado Kev and the accuser can carry on her life with total impunity and anonymity.
    Seems only two people know what if anything happened between them, and one of them has to live with their conscience.
  • johnson81 10 Sep 2013 16:08:41 373 posts
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    I think it's wrong for the tabloid's to be allowed to tar and feather a suspect before any convictions. Same with Matthew Kelly, every time I see him on the box, I think nonce. Wrong I know as he was cleared, but the doubt is always there.
  • Shikasama 10 Sep 2013 16:11:40 6,709 posts
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    Apparently he is set to return to Coronation Street and ITV will be having a meting with him.

    Don't see it myself. They'll offer him a massive wedge to slide off into anonymity.
  • Load_2.0 10 Sep 2013 16:14:12 19,104 posts
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    I followed this, read some of the court statements. From that admittedly limited info the evidence/testimony was pretty tenuous IMO.

    No one can say what happened except for the those two but I am glad he wasn't convicted on the evidence that was I had seen.

    No real happy outcome in this situation, either way someone is getting fucked over.
  • whatfruit 10 Sep 2013 16:15:01 1,408 posts
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    @Shikasama they will have him back and he will save a kid in the first few months maybe get him a good man family story line him doing the right thing. Memory forgotten was Ken Barlow ever convicted of being a nounce.
  • Grax 10 Sep 2013 16:17:21 2,066 posts
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    @whatfruit nah shik is right, they will pay him off. Even being cleared of all charges it is too much of a risk to their ratings.

    In about a year or two he will go on CBB and people will either change their minds about him or ofcom will get shit loads of complaints from the Jeremy Kyle crowd
  • Grax 10 Sep 2013 16:18:56 2,066 posts
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    what is the likelihood of this falling back on the accuser?? Because technically she should be in the firing line if the claims could be found baseless but who would want to take the risk
  • Deckard1 10 Sep 2013 16:21:33 27,583 posts
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    The only silver lining I can really see in all this is that we got the "what's blue and full of Haribo" joke out of it, which to be fair is a pretty good joke. Hopefully Kevin can take some solace in that.

    Hush you ponce

  • whatfruit 10 Sep 2013 16:24:07 1,408 posts
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    @Grax How integral is he in Coronation street? Is he major character or is he on the way out anyway?

    If he still brings the ratings they will find a way for him to bounce back. Maybe stick him on the chat show circuit where he can have a amiable chat before explaining these "malicious" accusations. If Parky was still around he would be the #1 candidate.
  • BeardedGamerUK 10 Sep 2013 16:27:56 1,338 posts
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    He'll end up being 'interviewed' by Piers Morgan.
  • nickthegun 10 Sep 2013 16:33:42 59,340 posts
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    whatfruit wrote:
    @Grax How integral is he in Coronation street? Is he major character or is he on the way out anyway?
    They have, effectively, written him out. They put him on a bus to germany and I dont think anyone could care less if he came back.

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    He totally called it

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