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  • localnotail 9 May 2013 08:24:04 23,093 posts
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    Daily Fail's latest piece of outrage farming is a real doozy.

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    Depressing stuff, but in all likelihood there are probably just as many female nonces as there are male. Perhaps even more as they've gone relatively unchecked while men have been utterly vilified in recent years because of the actions of men who grew up two or three generations ago in a far more misogynistic and unchecked era.
    Really? No. There are some female abusers, but nowhere near as many as male, and certainly not more. Also "utterly vilified"? Were you drunk when you wrote this? :eek:

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  • Maturin 9 May 2013 08:38:02 2,961 posts
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    According to this article (and similar figures I've heard on a documentary recently) it's thought the number of female paedophiles is something like 20-25 percent of the total number.
  • localnotail 9 May 2013 08:49:07 23,093 posts
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    @Maturin Sounds about right. I did my psychiatry block with a consultant who specialised in paedophilia and she said it was more like one in ten in her experience, for actual paedophilia. Sexual abuse for power is more common but still seen more often in men. Women generally have a stronger child protection need, are less likely to have an uncontrollable sexual gratification urge, and are more likely to abuse others emotionally to gain power gratification.

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  • warlockuk 9 May 2013 08:56:10 19,151 posts
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    Since spitting one outta your fanny, do you find yourself more enraged by paedos, Local? Or has it stayed about the same as before? Just curious.

    I'm a grumpy bastard.

  • Maturin 9 May 2013 09:00:57 2,961 posts
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    I definitely feel it a more personal threat since I became a dad. Rather than an abstract victim I can imagine how I'd feel if someone hurt one of my children. When there are high profile crimes against children the same age as mine - such as the April Jones case - it resonates more.
  • Chopsen 9 May 2013 09:05:42 15,885 posts
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    Of course, children are still far more likely to be sexually abused/killed/hurt by a member of their own family than random strangers.

    There is a phenomena where grown men are now terrified of speaking the children out of fear of being labelled paedos. Oh noes, little Jimmy is drowning! Better not go anywhere near him, I'll get called a nonce. Bye Jimmy!
  • localnotail 9 May 2013 09:22:43 23,093 posts
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    warlockuk wrote:
    Since spitting one outta your fanny, do you find yourself more enraged by paedos, Local? Or has it stayed about the same as before? Just curious.
    I didn't actually get to spit her out of my fanny, I had to have an emergency caesarian in the end, but no, my feelings on paedophiles haven't changed much. True paedophiles are mostly sad and confused people who were abused themselves and left with a sexual identity that is not compatible with regular society. Sexual abusers of children can be continuing the cycle of abuse but are often just nasty selfish people who prey on those with less power than themselves.

    I'm going to do my best to teach my daughter how not to be taken in by the approaches of would-be abusers, and also how to defend herself. She'll probably be loud like me, so maybe less likely to get groomed. Other than that I don't really worry about it much. It's not that common.

    I'm much more affected by things that could go wrong that are my fault. Someone posted an article about parents who accidentally left children locked in cars in car seats who then died. A few years ago I would've read that and been chilled. Now I can't even get past the first few paragraphs without having to stop because the imagined horror is too real.

    A strange game. The only winning move is not to play.

  • nickthegun 9 May 2013 09:28:18 59,537 posts
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    Im going to give it a year and give my daughter the Face/Off training.

    Heres a knife, stick it in his leg and twist if anyone gets too fruity.

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  • nickthegun 9 May 2013 09:29:24 59,537 posts
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    I fully assume that, like castor troy, it wont come back to haunt me.

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  • beastmaster 9 May 2013 09:29:58 11,338 posts
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    Dirtbox wrote:
    Depressing stuff, but in all likelihood there are probably just as many female nonces as there are male. Perhaps even more as they've gone relatively unchecked while men have been utterly vilified in recent years because of the actions of men who grew up two or three generations ago in a far more misogynistic and unchecked era.
    We had a couple of stories from secondary school whereby a couple of female teachers did have 'a bit of fun' with a couple of the male kids there in the stock room. They kids had huge grins on their faces till we left and the teachers always looked a bit embarrassed whenever they were around.

    The attitude around the school was never one was it "Oh the horror!". It was "You lucky bastard!". Not sure if any of the other teachers were aware though.

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  • Chopsen 9 May 2013 09:30:10 15,885 posts
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    localnotail wrote:
    I'm going to do my best to teach my daughter how not to be taken in by the approaches of would-be abusers, and also how to defend herself.
    http://i.imgur.com/Lk6mkUQ.jpg
  • Chopsen 9 May 2013 09:32:38 15,885 posts
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    A woman who I knew from school went on to qualify as a teacher and started dating a pupil at the school she was a teacher at when he was 16, and eventually married him at 17. She actually needed to obtain his parents consent to proceed with the marriage.

    (This was just over 10 years ago. They're divorced now).

    While that was slightly eyebrow raising, I'm sure if the genders were reversed, there'd be a police investigation.

    Edited by Chopsen at 09:33:02 09-05-2013
  • warlockuk 9 May 2013 09:42:32 19,151 posts
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    Chopsen wrote:
    A woman who I knew from school went on to qualify as a teacher and started dating a pupil at the school she was a teacher at when he was 16, and eventually married him at 17. She actually needed to obtain his parents consent to proceed with the marriage.

    (This was just over 10 years ago. They're divorced now).

    While that was slightly eyebrow raising, I'm sure if the genders were reversed, there'd be a police investigation.
    Yeah, technically he would've been underage so I'm surprised the police didn't get involved. The parents probably consented to the relationship and kept quiet about it, I guess.

    I'm a grumpy bastard.

  • localnotail 9 May 2013 09:47:31 23,093 posts
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    Chopsen wrote:
    localnotail wrote:
    I'm going to do my best to teach my daughter how not to be taken in by the approaches of would-be abusers, and also how to defend herself.
    http://i.imgur.com/Lk6mkUQ.jpg
    I was thinking more about shouting, biting and headbutts, but that's much better.

    A strange game. The only winning move is not to play.

  • nickthegun 9 May 2013 09:48:50 59,537 posts
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    Chopsen wrote:
    A woman who I knew from school went on to qualify as a teacher and started dating a pupil at the school she was a teacher at when he was 16, and eventually married him at 17. She actually needed to obtain his parents consent to proceed with the marriage.

    (This was just over 10 years ago. They're divorced now).

    While that was slightly eyebrow raising, I'm sure if the genders were reversed, there'd be a police investigation.
    There were serious rumours around our school that a teacher was seeing one of the 5th year girls in my year.

    The minute term ended, he quit his job and they moved in together. The worst thing is, he got to know the girl through her mum, who he met at a parents evening and dated for a while.

    Ironically, beforehand, he was the only PE teacher in our school who wasnt rumoured to either be gay or a pedo.

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  • Commander-Keen 9 May 2013 10:04:00 806 posts
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    It's mad to think about now, but I actually went to a small musical school from 9-13 and the term I joined, they'd just uncovered and "moved on" a paedophile from the live in staff. The official story they told us was that he'd got shingles, and had left to focus on his health.

    As the school was attached to a certain world renowned cathedral which may or may not have just hosted a former PMs funeral, they decided that they would deal with the situation in the traditional way - denying all knowledge publicly, and hushing up all the parents involved. There was no prosecution, no jail term and no bad press.

    Being nine at the time I joined, I had no real understanding of what had happened, but it's frightening to think that some of those guys I was at school with, statistically, will probably go on to enact some form of abuse themselves, though I hope that's not the case. They certainly got no support at the time, so I hope they've since sorted themselves out.

    Sadly, the school was in the news again a few years ago as a certain female member of staff who joined while I was there was pulled up on child sex abuses during her time at the school. The case collapsed because of the "historic" nature of the allegations meant that the people involved were unreliable witnesses or something. That place was just a fucking hive of it, it seems.

    Interestingly, the school I went to from 13-18 has had it's fair share of scandals too, but I suppose you never really think of it in the same terms, even if the age difference, relatively, is small. At least two of the music teachers were moved on (I'm starting to see a pattern here) for fucking teenage girls (one of them was in a relationship with another member of staff at the time!!!) and another one of the male teachers for engaging in a relationship with a lad in my year (we'd have been about 17 at the time).

    Is that also a bit noncey? Hmmm....
  • Maturin 9 May 2013 10:20:34 2,961 posts
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    localnotail wrote:
    I'm much more affected by things that could go wrong that are my fault. Someone posted an article about parents who accidentally left children locked in cars in car seats who then died. A few years ago I would've read that and been chilled. Now I can't even get past the first few paragraphs without having to stop because the imagined horror is too real.
    When I hear stories of this kind of thing - a three year old being killed by a falling fireplace I read this week. I can't get more than a line or two into the story and have to stop reading. Whereas I used to be shocked and appalled by such stories, now I can't even read the whole thing or watch the whole TV report. Seeing children sleeping on the streets in Africa the same age as our youngest (who's three) cuts right through me. Since becoming a dad I have no emotional defences to the horror of kids being hurt - either accidentally, by society or by predators.

    Edited by Maturin at 10:21:00 09-05-2013
  • warlockuk 9 May 2013 10:21:06 19,151 posts
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    Yeah, if they're teachers and the kid is under 18 it's noncey.

    I'm a grumpy bastard.

  • localnotail 9 May 2013 10:36:08 23,093 posts
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    @Maturin I'm quite glad that I'm no longer a home safety officer, I used to have to keep track of all child deaths & serious injuries and frequently speak to affected parents. It was always sad, but I'm not sure how well I would cope now I'm more directly involved. It is quite nice to be away from that tragedy-focussed environment. There were a couple more baby deaths from nappy sack suffocation recently :(

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  • MrTomFTW Moderator 9 May 2013 10:44:57 37,905 posts
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    I caught my daughter about to put a plastic bag over her head at the weekend. We had just back home from the shops. I turned my back long enough to put the bags down and take my jacket off... Turned around to tell her to take her coat and shoes off and she's got a plastic bag from God knows where and was pulling it down over her eyes.

    I did my best Shia LaBeouf impression across the room "nonononononononono..."

    Weird feeling of terror even though it wasn't a particularly close call. But it does show how quickly the things happen.

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  • nickthegun 9 May 2013 10:50:34 59,537 posts
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    Actually, hats of to local, thanks to her I developed a bit of a mania for hanging cords from blinds and put a load of ties up for them.

    My daughter, as yet, has yet not hanged herself, so safety achieved!

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  • localnotail 9 May 2013 11:03:59 23,093 posts
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    Glad to hear it Nick. Blind cord and plastic bag -related deaths are rare things, but usually easily avoided. Wait, it's not my job to lecture on safety any more. Your kids are on their own :p

    That Daily Fail link is still vexing me. Which shows their tactic works, I guess.

    Edited by localnotail at 11:05:01 09-05-2013

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  • Maturin 9 May 2013 11:10:38 2,961 posts
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    nickthegun wrote:
    Actually, hats of to local, thanks to her I developed a bit of a mania for hanging cords from blinds and put a load of ties up for them.
    There was a story recently of a toddler blind chord death and since then we've always tied up the chords whether the blind is up or down.
  • Dirtbox 9 May 2013 11:18:55 77,762 posts
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    localnotail wrote:
    Daily Fail's latest piece of outrage farming is a real doozy.

    Dirtbox wrote:
    Depressing stuff, but in all likelihood there are probably just as many female nonces as there are male. Perhaps even more as they've gone relatively unchecked while men have been utterly vilified in recent years because of the actions of men who grew up two or three generations ago in a far more misogynistic and unchecked era.
    Really? No. There are some female abusers, but nowhere near as many as male, and certainly not more. Also "utterly vilified"? Were you drunk when you wrote this? :eek:
    Here's a heart warming story and a nice little example of the sort of paranoia that goes hand in hand with men and kids. Bet you a million quid that a female paedophile could have taken a whole slew of snaps and no one would raise an eyebrow.

    Another similar tale.

    As for more female nonces, yeah, easily. Women are far more often in perfect situations, and can easily obfuscate the crime and there are just as many fucked up women as there are men, but men don't have the same opportunities due to the huge double standard. And just like if I said to you 5 years ago that loads of the biggest TV personalities of our childhoods would be behind bars this year for being nonces, you wouldn't have believed it.

    The stats currently say it's around 20-25% female, but I bet it's easily double that, if not triple.

    Edited by Dirtbox at 11:48:23 09-05-2013

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  • Psychotext 9 May 2013 12:31:44 54,015 posts
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    Maturin wrote:
    There was a story recently of a toddler blind chord death and since then we've always tied up the chords whether the blind is up or down.
    I tie nooses in mine ready for when friends decide to bring their kids over. I think they're slowly getting the hint.
  • Ka-blamo 9 May 2013 12:39:41 7,332 posts
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    warlockuk wrote:
    Since spitting one outta your fanny
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    We had the barrister who wants the age of consent lowering to 13 yet? Wants to stop this "persecution of old men" that's rampant in the media.

    Edit, just realised we have - oh well, my link's certified to be free of any Daily Mail :-)

    Edited by Rhythm at 12:42:40 09-05-2013
  • M83J01P97 9 May 2013 12:52:12 6,600 posts
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    Chopsen wrote:
    Of course, children are still far more likely to be sexually abused/killed/hurt by a member of their own family than random strangers.

    There is a phenomena where grown men are now terrified of speaking the children out of fear of being labelled paedos. Oh noes, little Jimmy is drowning! Better not go anywhere near him, I'll get called a nonce. Bye Jimmy!
    A friend of mine was held and questioned by police for over 24 hours and very nearly lost his job as a result simply because he helped a teenage boy who had slipped in the showers in the local swimming baths. He was the only one there and the kid had been knocked unconscious so he was doing the right thing, but the parents immediately reported him as they felt something inappropriate had happened.

    I certainly would think twice about helping a kid if no one else was around as a witness. As horrible as that sounds.
  • RobTheBuilder 9 May 2013 13:03:00 6,521 posts
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    A teacher at my old school was apparently sentenced for some kind of abuse. I'm not sure what specifically but I remember reading about it after I'd left.
  • TarickStonefire 9 May 2013 13:12:45 3,048 posts
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    RobTheBuilder wrote:
    A teacher at my old school was apparently sentenced for some kind of abuse. I'm not sure what specifically but I remember reading about it after I'd left.
    Great story, bro! :D

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