Paedogeddon - Jimmy Savile and other celebs Page 58

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  • FWB 3 Jan 2013 12:26:28 41,982 posts
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    If I accuse someone on here, will they get banned?
  • MrE26 3 Jan 2013 12:26:49 1,906 posts
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    My predictions for the next round of Celebrity Nonces: Cliff Richard & Noddy Holder.
  • FWB 3 Jan 2013 12:28:14 41,982 posts
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    Noddy has already been picked up, no?
  • MrE26 3 Jan 2013 12:30:29 1,906 posts
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    Really? Shit, i missed that one! Cliff was my dead cert as well.
  • nickthegun 3 Jan 2013 12:31:10 55,870 posts
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    I dont think so. I certainly saw enough of his gurning chimp face on christmas TV this year to make me think he hasnt formally been charged with anything.

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    He totally called it

  • Deleted user 3 January 2013 12:32:03
    Cliff definitely, will turn out The Young Ones is a polemic as to why small children 'shouldn't be afraid'. Of nonces.

    Will also turn out that 'the song to be sung' will be Sweat by Inner Circle.

    Edited by HurbleBurble at 12:39:14 03-01-2013
  • oceanmotion 3 Jan 2013 12:35:47 15,243 posts
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    Cliff is just one of those, shagged so many women then realised he must be gay and turned to god to keep him in check because he thinks it is wrong.
  • kickerconspiracy 3 Jan 2013 12:37:01 495 posts
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  • nickthegun 3 Jan 2013 12:37:48 55,870 posts
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    The original Celebrity Big Brother lineup was interesting this year. A racist nonce, a wife beater, a drugs cheat, an alky, a coke addict, a cake addict and a woman who sucked someone off in a layby.

    hats off to channel 5 for securing such stellar talent.

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  • FWB 3 Jan 2013 12:43:29 41,982 posts
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    Quick google looks like I got it wrong with Noddy. Was he not questioned?

    Channel 5... I can't remember the last time I watched anything on that awful channel. Don't go near ITV aside from then CL either.
  • Khanivor 3 Jan 2013 13:29:12 39,892 posts
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    25 years ago? Sexual assault is a hard one to prove when recent. I think that unless the alleged victim was a chid at the time there should be some statute of limitations on such things.

    Especially in a country where people will splash the story about the way they can't stop eating carrots even though it makes them shot out of their eyeballs all over the front page of a newspaper for a few grand.
  • warlockuk 3 Jan 2013 13:59:38 19,102 posts
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    It'd be worth taking one for the team just to watch Violet do that.

    I'm a grumpy bastard.

  • LeoliansBro 3 Jan 2013 14:02:55 41,869 posts
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    Khanivor wrote:
    Especially in a country where people will splash the story about the way they can't stop eating carrots even though it makes them shot out of their eyeballs all over the front page of a newspaper for a few grand.
    So, USA then?

    LB, you really are a massive geek.

  • Khanivor 3 Jan 2013 14:13:18 39,892 posts
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    There's no equivalent of the Sun here, so no. Plus there are already statutes of limitations.

    I'd also be curious to know if the police are using the definition of assault from 25 years ago or the current one. It's my understanding the definition has been broadened considerably over the years.
  • LeoliansBro 3 Jan 2013 14:18:31 41,869 posts
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    Khanivor wrote:
    There's no equivalent of the Sun here.
    UK has printed news. US has news channels. 'And now, look at this fat talentless woman who can open her eyes really wide, wow! Cut to 20 mins of commercials.'

    LB, you really are a massive geek.

  • Khanivor 3 Jan 2013 14:19:29 39,892 posts
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    Me thinks your kinda missing the points.
  • LeoliansBro 3 Jan 2013 14:22:13 41,869 posts
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    Yep, attention seeking media whores are unique to the British Isles.

    LB, you really are a massive geek.

  • Deleted user 3 January 2013 14:57:43
    @Khanivor Law cannot be applied retrospectively so will have to be applied as it was at the time.
  • AgeOfChaos 3 Jan 2013 15:56:58 255 posts
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    Anyone seen the article on the Guardian right now? Questioning whether the actions of a man like savile are really harmful. I don't mind a debate, but I despaired for humanity while reading it. The Guardian can fuck off.

    Edited by AgeOfChaos at 15:57:36 03-01-2013
  • RichieTenenbaum 3 Jan 2013 16:16:12 2,157 posts
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    For some reason, I don't believe Jim Davidson is guilty. Never seemed like the nonce type.
  • jellyhead 3 Jan 2013 16:16:43 24,350 posts
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    Paedophilia: bringing dark desires to light

    He says it's part of the human condition and spectrum of sexuality and we should all sit and have a chat rather than burning paedophiles at the stake as not all of them act upon their urges and encouraging them to talk should allow help to be given rather than suppressing desires until it reaches dangerous levels.

    I can see what he's saying but it doesn't sit right with me. Though as is said not every paedophile is a child-abuser and not every child-abuser is a paedophile.

    Still to me this fiasco is more about the complicit allowance of vulnerable adults to be in the company of and abused by celebrities and others of high status in society.

    That's what disgusts me, the abuse of trust by those who were tasked with protecting the vulnerable.

    Edited by jellyhead at 16:20:45 03-01-2013

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  • imamazed 3 Jan 2013 16:18:56 5,455 posts
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    @RichieTenenbaum I think he's "only" accused of abusing two girls in their twenties. So a sex-offender but not a kiddy-fiddler.

    Of course, I could be wrong on that.
  • neilka 3 Jan 2013 16:19:41 14,942 posts
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    jellyhead wrote:
    Paedophilia: bringing dark desires to light

    He says it's part of the human condition and spectrum of sexuality and we should all sit and have a chat rather than burning paedophiles at the stake as not all of them act upon their urges and encouraging them to talk should allow help to be given rather than suppressing desires until it reaches dangerous levels.
    Sounds like a bit of a nonce if you ask me.
  • thelzdking 3 Jan 2013 16:19:47 3,963 posts
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    AgeOfChaos wrote:
    Anyone seen the article on the Guardian right now? Questioning whether the actions of a man like savile are really harmful. I don't mind a debate, but I despaired for humanity while reading it. The Guardian can fuck off.
    If you mean this article then you should probably read it a bit more closely.
  • RichieTenenbaum 3 Jan 2013 16:27:18 2,157 posts
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    @imamazed Oh, that's ok then.

    I can believe that
  • glaeken 3 Jan 2013 16:29:36 10,978 posts
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    @RichieTenenbaum Well the allegations are from two women who would have been in their 20's at the time so I don't believe that would put him in nonce territory.

    I have no problem believing Davidson might have been sexually aggressive given he was always in the tabloids at the time for womanising. I do think we are getting into a tricky area though when everyone at the time the crimes were said to have taken place would be adults. It's not as cut and dried as when one party clearly could not have given consent as in the case of paedophilia. This is something that happened between adults 25 years ago and you have to wonder how well any of them would remember the exact details of what happened.
  • KennyPowers 3 Jan 2013 16:39:42 94 posts
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  • AgeOfChaos 3 Jan 2013 16:40:59 255 posts
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    @thelzdking

    Not having it mate. I applaud an attempt to approach things from a different angle, ask questions that should be asked etc. But there is no excuse for this type of thing. It's a strange article, and I wonder what direction it will take.
  • RichieTenenbaum 3 Jan 2013 17:25:20 2,157 posts
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    Basically it's ok to be a nonce as long as it's mainly googling what your doing and not fingerbanging the young. I think that's what the Guardian article is saying.
  • RobTheBuilder 3 Jan 2013 17:30:23 6,521 posts
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    @AgeOfChaos I agree there can be no excuse for it. However we have to bear in mind how different the general perception of some of these offences were in the seventies. While obviously sexual assault is still the same, perving on 14-16 year olds appears (from tv clips at least) to have been am everyday thing... Still is in the Daily Fail.
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