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  • Luckyjim 22 Jan 2013 16:00:43 2,873 posts
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    Benno wrote:
    meme wrote:
    There's no such thing as a storage format that is guaranteed to last decades.
    The Elder Scroll!
    Bravo.
  • oceanmotion 22 Jan 2013 16:08:58 16,001 posts
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    Maybe I'm not as nostalgic as others but the move to digital distribution shows I never go back to games I've stopped playing. Looking at my Steam list is just a reminder of stuff I don't care about even if I enjoyed them. With Xbox, you don't get a list unless you look in your account billing, I forget half the games I've got.

    Think that is why I rarely buy outside of a digital sale, such throwaway content after I'm done with it.
  • MrTomFTW Moderator 22 Jan 2013 17:24:20 38,628 posts
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    meme wrote:
    Valve have pretty much stated directly that if they ever for some reason go out of business then they'll release all the authentication stuff for Steam so you can manually install and play games you saved to a backup. But while we're on the subject of "decades", CDs and DVDs and whatnot don't last forever either, even if stored permanently in their cases on the shelf. Even some BD discs are starting to rot nowadays. There's no such thing as a storage format that is guaranteed to last decades.
    My Fight Club DVD kinda disintegrated last year. It's the oldest film I owned... Also the box for Dogma has turned into a brittle substance. So God knows what's going to happen to some of my collection fairly soon.

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  • Psychotext 22 Jan 2013 17:29:23 54,391 posts
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    I've had many CDs fail on me and apparently DVDs are even worse.

    One might argue that it's in the best interest of studios to have their media stop working after a while...
  • SpaceDave3000 22 Jan 2013 17:30:24 78,417 posts
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    It's still unknown how long SSD's will last, but there are indications they'll outlive other physical media.

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  • Deleted user 22 January 2013 17:32:45
    Yeah, the whole "physical collection as permanent" thing is just bullshit. If anything, digital games could in theory outlast them, especially with DRM free stuff like GOG where you can backup indefinitely.

    The only vague excuse for latching onto physical games is for "collectors", but that's also bullshit for anything this gen, given most games are just a disc in a cheap case with a leaflet masquerading as a manual, unless you buy into all that crappy "EXCLUSIVE MASS-PRODUCED STATUE" gubbins. In which case you're an idiot.
  • Fake_Blood 22 Jan 2013 17:41:50 4,280 posts
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    The thing about physical media is that in 20 years, you can buy any xbox 360 that's still alive somehow, and play your games. Good luck with then once everything is in the cloud.
  • Deleted user 22 January 2013 17:44:20
    Err, no. That's the point I'm making. A large proportion of DVDs won't survive twenty years, even if they're left untouched and locked in an airtight safe.
  • nickthegun 22 Jan 2013 17:50:34 60,415 posts
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    My very oldest porn archive has suffered disc rot. All those hours tying up the phoneline with a 56k modem for nothing.

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  • kinky_mong 22 Jan 2013 17:57:15 10,428 posts
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    They should have made games on vinyl. That shit was built to last!

    All the eurogamers who actually play with each other on xbl rather than just post pseudointellectual pc handwringing bollocks on the forums, love the shit out of biggy.

  • Deleted user 22 January 2013 18:03:10
    In twenty year's time we'll probably have 360 emulators doing the archival work, anyway. Look at the SNES and the PS1. Even with the PS2 it's usually easier to just download and emulate a game than it is to find a working disc somewhere.
  • SpaceDave3000 22 Jan 2013 18:04:58 78,417 posts
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    This is why I don't bother with consoles and just emulate the games on my PC a few years later.

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  • Fake_Blood 22 Jan 2013 18:07:42 4,280 posts
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    Writable cds can go bad, but I have music cds from 1989 that play just fine.
  • gelf 22 Jan 2013 18:08:08 188 posts
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    The problem I have with downloads on console is the lack of pricing competition. On PC its great as you have countless stores offering their own deals but on console you have one store and that's it.

    At least there's more buying options with physical media. PC could go download only tomorrow and I wouldn't care bit If the consoles did the same I'd find that situation pretty bleak.
  • Deleted user 22 January 2013 18:08:22
    Is there a working Xbox emulator yet?
  • gelf 22 Jan 2013 18:11:40 188 posts
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    Xbox emulation progress was dead last I checked.
  • Deleted user 22 January 2013 18:12:45
    DarkSpaceDS wrote:
    meme wrote:
    Err, no. That's the point I'm making. A large proportion of DVDs won't survive twenty years, even if they're left untouched and locked in an airtight safe.
    I find this hard to believe. I still have plenty of PS1 and PS2 games and nearly every single one still works.

    In fact I had a PS1 game disc that was laying around the attic the other day without any case and still works.
    I had a large percentage of boxed PC and PSX games that were either unreadable or had CRC errors, even though they'd been left untouched for a good decade or more (and several that were sealed).

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  • SpaceDave3000 22 Jan 2013 18:16:20 78,417 posts
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    No one bothered making an xbox1 emulator because it only had a handfull of exclusives. Same can be said for the 360 (and PS3) really, but there are a couple.

    http://xbox360emulator.net/

    Oh wait, there are Xbox1 emulators. http://forums.emulator-zone.com/showthread.php?t=21032

    Edited by Dirtbox at 18:17:28 22-01-2013

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  • Deleted user 22 January 2013 18:17:31
    No-one really bothered with Xbox 1 emulation, as the people who make the emulators do so for the challenge, and they saw the PS2 as a far greater and more interesting challenge than the Xbox. They'll probably get around to it at some point.
  • Deleted user 22 January 2013 18:20:48
    It's just luck of the draw. They *can* last that long, but there's no guarantee they will even if you keep them in tip-top shape, and the older they get the more likely they are to degrade to unreadable states. The games you have may play, but I almost guarantee if you ran them through a CRC checker they'd come back with a few problems. The game collection I had ran into the hundreds, by the way.

    Edited by meme at 18:21:34 22-01-2013
  • cubbymoore 22 Jan 2013 18:24:56 36,500 posts
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    I coat all my dvds with EntroP.
  • Deleted user 22 January 2013 18:30:16
    PSP discs are probably just as susceptible. They're basically just mini DVDs enclosed in a shell anyway. No idea about the Vita, that's solid state.

    There is a popular conspiracy theory that disc degradation is actually a planned obsolescence, that some companies deliberately use lower quality materials in their discs knowing they'll die in a decade or so when newer formats are around, but I don't buy into that much. They go for the cheaper option when pressing because it's the cheaper option, no other reason.
  • SpaceDave3000 22 Jan 2013 18:35:08 78,417 posts
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    There are different grades of plastic and coatings used. Back when Diablo 2 was released, they (mistakenly) used Audio CD grade plastic to make the game disks, which proceeded to explode in people's drives due to the heat and speed.

    I saw several that were just thousands of tiny shards.

    Edited by Dirtbox at 18:36:33 22-01-2013

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  • Deleted user 22 January 2013 18:38:47
    Yeah, that was a huge problem when they started coming out with 52 speed CD drives. Put something even vaguely low quality in there and it stood a good chance of literally exploding and wrecking the drive completely. Good times.
  • Deleted user 22 January 2013 18:47:16
    It's nice to think all those games you've bought over the years will last forever but, realistically, there are barely any that are worth a second playthrough and even if you did then they'll be available in some form for 20p in 5 years if they're any good.
  • Psychotext 22 Jan 2013 18:52:55 54,391 posts
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    At the end of every gen I usually take all the games I'm unlikely to touch again in and sell them... for about 15 in total. :(
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