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  • DrStrangelove 20 Jun 2013 02:49:57 2,538 posts
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    DodgyPast wrote:

    I think PS2 vs. GC vs. Xbox was the first generation I was knowledgeable about the hardware.
    This gen actually the first one for me. Before I didn't care, but this gen I knew the Cell would just rule. Some day.

    Edited by DrStrangelove at 02:50:22 20-06-2013
  • Psychotext 20 Jun 2013 03:45:52 52,775 posts
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    I'm still waiting for it to appear in toasters and fridges.
  • Khanivor 20 Jun 2013 03:57:23 39,868 posts
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    I don't think it's coincidence that as consoles become more like PCs the arguing over them becomes more concerned with their tech specs.

    I don't recal tech specs being part of arguments beyond how many bits, colors and the kind of sound chip back before the PC became the home gaming computer. Ok, there was some CPU wanking with the ST vs Amuga but no one was measuring bus speeds, bandwidth and pipelines back then.

    Certainly not the kind of technically illiterate folks that now hang on every teraflop and voxel as if they have the faintest idea what they really mean.
  • DrStrangelove 20 Jun 2013 04:07:02 2,538 posts
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    Don't forget gouraud shading!
  • Khanivor 20 Jun 2013 04:09:01 39,868 posts
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    It's all about the specular, baby.
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    I'm all about the phongs, myself.
  • Deleted user 20 June 2013 08:46:28
    @Khanivor

    Great job completely missing the point. Of course the technical specifications were slightly less detailed back then, but so where the games to compliment that, so the information like Zx 48K and Commodore 64K played a much more direct role in assessment of the perceived value of goods. Getting a durable keyboard and dedicated tape deck had almost as much importance as things like a hardware blitter chip at the time, because the value of such elements was far from trivial, like it is today.

    On the console side of things we had arcade games back then, so the ability to see a proposed line up of coming arcade port screenshots to the up and coming master system console made a significant impact assessing hardware value on how it would stack up.

    The X180 is a massive £430 and yet we have less credible information of the perceived value tof the product than the original Xbox, Does that not seem a little strange to you? As though someone is hiding something?
  • mcmothercruncher 20 Jun 2013 08:47:31 5,709 posts
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    So, a more level playing field, whatever the motivation, Sony now don't get to run off into the sunset with next gen and that extra competition is a good thing.
    If Microsoft genuinely believe the future is digital (and like it or not, eventually we're going there) then given there's no packaging, no storage and no distribution, lets see them temp us that way with some tasty digital pricing at last.
  • Armoured_Bear 20 Jun 2013 08:49:30 8,746 posts
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    vizzini wrote:
    @Khanivor

    Great job completely missing the point. Of course the technical specifications were slightly less detailed back then, but so where the games to compliment that, so the information like Zx 48K and Commodore 64K played a much more direct role in assessment of the perceived value of goods. Getting a durable keyboard and dedicated tape deck had almost as much importance as things like a hardware blitter chip at the time, because the value of such elements was far from trivial, like it is today.

    On the console side of things we had arcade games back then, so the ability to see a proposed line up of coming arcade port screenshots to the up and coming master system console made a significant impact assessing hardware value on how it would stack up.

    The X180 is a massive £430 and yet we have less credible information of the perceived value tof the product than the original Xbox, Does that not seem a little strange to you? As though someone is hiding something?
    Vizzini, we already know all the Onesie specs, they have been leaked to fuck by the same place that got the PS4 specs bang on. MS are quiet because the PS4 is more powerful, it won't make an enormous difference in games though.

    I have to say, people should STFU about the specs a bit, I'm playing the Last of Us on shitty old PS3 and it looks incredible, as will so man upcoming titles on both machines.

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  • Deleted user 20 June 2013 08:52:18
    A shitty old PS3 that might be closer to the X180 specs than we all know. Even by today's standards the PS3 is way above average PC performance when using software that is to the metal. had you mentioned the 360 then your point would have been more valid.
  • Armoured_Bear 20 Jun 2013 08:55:27 8,746 posts
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    vizzini wrote:
    A shitty old PS3 that might be closer to the X180 specs than we all know. Even by today's standards the PS3 is way above average PC performance when using software that is to the metal. had you mentioned the 360 then your point would have been more valid.
    Define "Average PC performance",
    As much as you want to believe that the Onesie is crippled and barely more powerful than this gen, it's not the case. It's miles ahead of the PS3.

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  • Frogofdoom 20 Jun 2013 08:56:13 801 posts
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    way above an average pc, and what do you regard as an average pc?

    I think you are just a wee bit wrong there.
  • mcmothercruncher 20 Jun 2013 08:57:22 5,709 posts
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    Jesus Christ, and so it continues, round and round in a loop.
  • spindizzy 20 Jun 2013 08:58:15 6,400 posts
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    vizzini wrote:
    A shitty old PS3 that might be closer to the X180 specs than we all know. Even by today's standards the PS3 is way above average PC performance when using software that is to the metal. had you mentioned the 360 then your point would have been more valid.
    Do you seriously not think that the X1 will be 'way above average PC performance when using software that is to the metal'?

    Edit: Actually, why am I bothering?

    Edited by spindizzy at 08:58:44 20-06-2013
  • Dirtbox 20 Jun 2013 09:02:03 76,327 posts
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    vizzini wrote:
    A shitty old PS3 that might be closer to the X180 specs than we all know. Even by today's standards the PS3 is way above average PC performance when using software that is to the metal. had you mentioned the 360 then your point would have been more valid.
    No. You can't baremetal program with x86 architecture unless you're using assembly, it's api layers all the way down for both.

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  • AcidSnake 20 Jun 2013 09:04:35 7,138 posts
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    vizzini wrote:
    A shitty old PS3 that might be closer to the X180 specs than we all know. Even by today's standards the PS3 is way above average PC performance when using software that is to the metal. had you mentioned the 360 then your point would have been more valid.
    Hahaha, what?
    QFWTF

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  • Deleted user 20 June 2013 09:06:10
    @armoured-Bear

    I thought average PC was typically considered the bottom half of the Steam users' hardware data.

    @spindizzy

    I don't want to guess when the facts should be trivial to publish for Microsoft. The performance of the PS3's Cell BE (alone) might be equal to half the performance of the new X180 for all we know. Would you consider that good value at £430?

    Edited by vizzini at 09:08:27 20-06-2013
  • Armoured_Bear 20 Jun 2013 09:09:34 8,746 posts
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    vizzini wrote:
    @armoured-Bear

    I thought average PC was typically considered the bottom half of the Steam users' hardware data.

    @spindizzy

    I don't want to guess when the facts should be trivial to publish for Microsoft. The performance of PS3's Cell BE 9alone) might be equal to half the performance of the new X180 for all we know.
    The CPU is the same as the PS4.
    The PS4 GPU is 50% more powerful
    The PS4 has faster RAM but the onesie has incredibly fast EDRAM which will help make up for it.
    It'll be like this ten, you'll see the advantages of the PS4 on a few select first party titles but overall the performance won't be miles ahead.

    So, what's this average gaming PC?

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  • Dirtbox 20 Jun 2013 09:14:04 76,327 posts
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    And all for 30 frames a second, tearing and input lag. All that 50% better and faster shit is for naught.

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  • Armoured_Bear 20 Jun 2013 09:15:57 8,746 posts
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    Dirtbox wrote:
    And all for 30 frames a second, tearing and input lag. All that 50% better and faster shit is for naught.
    PCs are great, Consoles are shit, Sony are cunts!!

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  • Dirtbox 20 Jun 2013 09:18:49 76,327 posts
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    How has that got anything to do with PCs?

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  • JiveHound 20 Jun 2013 09:23:30 2,141 posts
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    Going by the Digital Foundry hands on with both the X1s seemingly lesser specs has translated in better gameplay demos.

    I forsee the same as every other gen. Parity will be strived for by third parties with the first party stuff only really showing the strengths of each platform.

    So has it been since the dawn of (pac)man.

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  • Dirtbox 20 Jun 2013 09:25:05 76,327 posts
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    Watching the two conferences back, the X1's gameplay demos looked head and shoulders better than the PS4's. To the point where Sony might as well have had a PS3 conference.

    The most 'impressive' looking game on the system was Destiny and it looked dated and stale.

    Edited by Dirtbox at 09:26:20 20-06-2013

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  • Phattso Moderator 20 Jun 2013 09:30:07 12,722 posts
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    I thought that Infamous game was supposed to be quite impressive? It's "only" Infamous at the end of the day, and running at 30fps to boot, but even so... nice looking!
  • Dirtbox 20 Jun 2013 09:31:15 76,327 posts
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    Witcher 3 looked about 50 times better.

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  • Deleted user 20 June 2013 09:34:15
    @Armoured_bear

    Ok, so lets go with the leaked specs and GPU downclocking to benefit launch yields (putting at just under a terflop/s). Do you really think that the best part of an extra teraflop in performance(2x Ps3) and the bandwidth saving on asymmetric GPU communication will not yield huge results in software(by first/second parties and konami/sega) over the course of the generation? Even if we ignore that the X180 leaked specs give developers 2GBs less RAM to use and the 2x HyperV CPU cores less to use, what they showcased at E3 doesn't stack up with the modest leaked hardware specs.

    So anyone that says they don't need technical specs for a £430 product is looking like the proverbial “fool and his money parted” imo. At £200 it isn't important (imo) but that isn't commodity pricing at £430.
  • Phattso Moderator 20 Jun 2013 09:37:32 12,722 posts
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    Dirtbox wrote:
    Witcher 3 looked about 50 times better.
    "About" 50 times or exactly 50 times? It's important to be precise in these matters.

    I still haven't finished Witcher 2. :( Runs like shite on my MacBook and I couldn't bring myself to play it on the consoles.
  • Phattso Moderator 20 Jun 2013 09:38:19 12,722 posts
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    vizzini wrote:
    So anyone that says they don't need technical specs for a £430 product is looking like the proverbial “fool and his money parted” imo.
    It's certainly true that the fool and his words are easily parted.
  • IMO 20 Jun 2013 09:38:30 5,210 posts
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    See, I understand the words individually, but put them together and I don't have a clue what he's on about.
  • Dirtbox 20 Jun 2013 09:38:50 76,327 posts
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    50.0028 times better to be precise.

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