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  • nickthegun 22 Feb 2013 11:18:13 60,951 posts
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    Sony can only 'shoehorn motion into everything' if third parties become enablers.

    Same with the Wii. 90% of the non-nintendo games that came out for it didnt have waggle at all.

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  • Psychotext 22 Feb 2013 11:18:53 54,751 posts
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    Armoured_Bear wrote:
    The money isn't as silly as you think, PC games are far, far cheaper than their console counterparts.
    Not just that, but a PC with comparable power to the PS4 / 720 isn't going to be silly money anyway.
  • shamblemonkee 22 Feb 2013 11:24:10 14,569 posts
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    I've never understood all the clamour for backwards compatability - don't get rid of your old box if it's that important to you and you think you'll still be playing all those old games.
  • mikew1985 22 Feb 2013 11:25:07 12,966 posts
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    Well of course you'd want Destiny before Killzone, nobody wants killzone.

    The next Bungie title is going to be a hell of a lot more interesting than the 4th Chapter in a series Sony has been trying, unsuccesfully, to make people care about for the last 7 years.
  • Aretak 22 Feb 2013 11:26:18 10,374 posts
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    morriss wrote:
    I'm looking forward to all the PS4's social features and motion control being shoe-horned into games like they did with SIXAXIS.
    SIXAXIS was forgotten about six months after launch. So was Move on the PS3 for that matter. If anything, Sony are guilty of a lack of support for their gimmick control schemes.
  • nickthegun 22 Feb 2013 11:26:20 60,951 posts
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    Yeah, I have to admit I was surprised to see KZ4 when people very clearly do not give a single fuck about the series as a whole.

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  • sanctusmortis 22 Feb 2013 11:27:36 9,695 posts
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    @mowgli no, but they have at least a track record of doing it, and we know what it looks like. Who knows what Sony's attempts will look like in the end?

    At least they said you could switch it all off. Which is great.
  • mikew1985 22 Feb 2013 11:27:56 12,966 posts
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    Psychotext wrote:
    Armoured_Bear wrote:
    The money isn't as silly as you think, PC games are far, far cheaper than their console counterparts.
    Not just that, but a PC with comparable power to the PS4 / 720 isn't going to be silly money anyway.
    Hm well it doesn't quite work like that though. PS4 / 720 will outperform their equivalently specced PC cousins quite significantly over time.

    The amount that developers have been able to squeeze out of the ancient from a PC perspective) 360/PS3 architecture is much more than you would ever get out of an equivalent PC.
  • mikew1985 22 Feb 2013 11:29:42 12,966 posts
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    nickthegun wrote:
    Yeah, I have to admit I was surprised to see KZ4 when people very clearly do not give a single fuck about the series as a whole.
    I thought it was funny the way they lead with this very deliberately overly colourful intro and then as soon as gameplay footage kicked in they grey/browned it up immediately.

    Edited by mikew1985 at 11:30:18 22-02-2013
  • Psychotext 22 Feb 2013 11:32:33 54,751 posts
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    mikew1985 wrote:
    Hm well it doesn't quite work like that though. PS4 / 720 will outperform their equivalently specced PC cousins quite significantly over time.
    I'm talking about equivalent in results. Remember, the PS4 will have a 1.8 tflop GPU whereas 2.5tflop+ GPUs are common in PCs, and in a couple of years the 5 tflop+ monsters will be dropping to reasonable prices.
  • mikew1985 22 Feb 2013 11:34:45 12,966 posts
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    But that's hardly relevant in real world terms. Especially when the original comment was a response to the amount someone thought they would have to invest in a PC in order to get the equivalent gaming experience as a console over it's lifespan.
  • LeoliansBro 22 Feb 2013 11:35:53 44,718 posts
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    When you buy the PS4, you know that people will be bringing out games ni 6 or 7 years' time that will work in that box.

    When you buy a PC you immediately start to see developer tail off as they follow the cutting edge. In 18 months' time there will be games that you can't play.

    LB, you really are a massive geek.

  • roz123 22 Feb 2013 11:39:35 7,113 posts
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    I think its highly likely that the devs who leaked the PS4 info to Edge are the same source for their xbox rumours and it turns out the vast majority of those PS4 rumours were correct.
    http://www.edge-online.com/news/playstation-4-revealed/
    The only thing that stands out as wrong is that it will have a new uncharted, they could be saving that for e3.

    If their xbox rumours are as accurate then the "console wars" will be hilarious
    http://www.edge-online.com/news/the-next-xbox-always-online-no-second-hand-games-50gb-blu-ray-discs-and-new-kinect/

    Edited by roz123 at 11:42:06 22-02-2013
  • SomaticSense 22 Feb 2013 11:40:44 8,947 posts
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    shamblemonkee wrote:
    I've never understood all the clamour for backwards compatability - don't get rid of your old box if it's that important to you and you think you'll still be playing all those old games.
    Erm, good luck finding a fully functional 360 in 10 years time.

    It's important because consoles nowadays aren't built for longevity. They are more like washing machines than the Mega Drive or SNES. So finding a working one in the future that isn't about to die if it hasn't already is going to require the kind of patience and outlay usually reserved for collectors.

    Short of sticking your 360 or PS3 in a vacuum space, a lack of BC is going to be a serious issue. Not to mention exacerbating the problem we already have of cataloging gaming's history.
  • Widge Moderator 22 Feb 2013 11:42:26 13,727 posts
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    @LeoliansBro You can still play them, you can't enable all the shinies. Which is the same as any console. They get the same games with the detail dialed down.

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  • mcmonkeyplc 22 Feb 2013 11:44:12 39,508 posts
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    My PC was built on the 31/12/10 for about 300-400 it still plays the latest games on max settings.

    Come and get it cumslingers!

  • PenguinJim 22 Feb 2013 11:44:38 5,940 posts
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    LeoliansBro wrote:
    When you buy the PS4, you know that people will be bringing out games ni 6 or 7 years' time that will work in that box.

    When you buy a PC you immediately start to see developer tail off as they follow the cutting edge. In 18 months' time there will be games that you can't play.
    What game can't I play with my 600 19-month-old PC? :o This is news to me!
  • oceanmotion 22 Feb 2013 11:48:12 16,079 posts
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    They managed to get some original Xbox games running. I think they would have the foresight and capability to do better with 360 games. Doesn't say much for the ecosystem if you lose the stuff you bought again. I'm going to be positive and think Microsoft will have full BC.
  • Deleted user 22 February 2013 11:48:22
    mcmonkeyplc wrote:
    My PC was built on the 31/12/10 for about 300-400 it still plays the latest games on max settings.
    No it doesn't. Stop being silly.
  • beastmaster 22 Feb 2013 11:48:28 11,786 posts
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    Yep, PCs are better, faster, cheaper yadda yadda. However, what if you want to play the latest games from Naughty Dog and other PS4 exclusives?

    I'm happy enough with what I saw to pre-order the console and a few games.

    I'm going to make the move to PC gaming myself though. There's tons of games out there but what made my mind up was Elite: Dangerous. I don't think it'll be coming to Sony or MS so I'll have to get the platform it's available on.

    The Resident Evil films. I'm one of the reasons they keep making them.

  • nickthegun 22 Feb 2013 11:49:26 60,951 posts
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    mowgli wrote:
    mcmonkeyplc wrote:
    My PC was built on the 31/12/10 for about 300-400 it still plays the latest games on max settings.
    No it doesn't. Stop being silly.
    Yeah, that really is absolute bullshit. Or it plays games on max settings but looks like a powerpoint presentation.

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  • shamblemonkee 22 Feb 2013 11:51:23 14,569 posts
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    @SomaticSense My Mega Drive broke inside 5 years. Why are you hung up on trying to create a museum of gaming? There's no need. Certainly not enough to justify the inclusion of exta hardware.

    I probably won't give a shit about xbox 360 games in ten years other than looking back with rose tinted specs as items of curiosity. I certainly have no desire to go back and play ps2 or xbox games these days.

    If you're playing old format games often enough to be so hung up on BC i'd sugges tthat maybe you don't really need that new console?
  • Psychotext 22 Feb 2013 11:51:23 54,751 posts
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    beastmaster wrote:
    Yep, PCs are better, faster, cheaper yadda yadda. However, what if you want to play the latest games from Naughty Dog and other PS4 exclusives?
    Depends how much you really care though. Not everyone has time to play all the games, and by that argument everyone should own every console for the standout exclusives.
  • Deleted user 22 February 2013 11:56:15
    Psychotext wrote:
    beastmaster wrote:
    Yep, PCs are better, faster, cheaper yadda yadda. However, what if you want to play the latest games from Naughty Dog and other PS4 exclusives?
    Depends how much you really care though. Not everyone has time to play all the games, and by that argument everyone should own every console for the standout exclusives.
    With this line of reasoning you are better just buying the cheapest and being happy with what you are giving game wise.
  • Blaketown 22 Feb 2013 11:57:56 4,897 posts
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    shamblemonkee wrote:
    If you're playing old format games often enough to be so hung up on BC i'd sugges tthat maybe you don't really need that new console?
    That's the point. No one NEEDS a new console.

    My kids have fun playing the XBLA games I have. The wife doesn't want another box cluttering up the front room.

    If I could keep the kids and the wife happy while also being able to play the latest shiny games I'll buy one day one. Otherwise, I'll just stick with what I have.

    It's just a case of making life easy to upgrade. If they do that more people will upgrade.

    I'll probably get one of the consoles at some point. BC just brings that date forward and guarantees it'll be the XBox I move to.

    Brap, brap, old chap.

  • Widge Moderator 22 Feb 2013 11:58:25 13,727 posts
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    beastmaster wrote:
    Yep, PCs are better, faster, cheaper yadda yadda. However, what if you want to play the latest games from Naughty Dog and other PS4 exclusives?
    I am with you on this. My PC is going to continue to drive multiplatform titles for me, with the Sony machine propping up for exclusive content.

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  • mcmonkeyplc 22 Feb 2013 12:02:21 39,508 posts
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    nickthegun wrote:
    mowgli wrote:
    mcmonkeyplc wrote:
    My PC was built on the 31/12/10 for about 300-400 it still plays the latest games on max settings.
    No it doesn't. Stop being silly.
    Yeah, that really is absolute bullshit. Or it plays games on max settings but looks like a powerpoint presentation.
    OK, not max but high. Does that work for you all?

    Point is, it can still play everything I throw at it. Mostly porn.

    Come and get it cumslingers!

  • Psychotext 22 Feb 2013 12:07:29 54,751 posts
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    mowgli wrote:
    With this line of reasoning you are better just buying the cheapest and being happy with what you are giving game wise.
    No, you're best of buying the one that's got access to everything that suits your gaming needs. For some that'll be the PC, for some the PS4 etc.
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