almost 50 years on, and still no answer!!

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  • Scorpio 23 Nov 2004 19:25:46 113 posts
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    It is almost fifty years since the discovery of the famous cube found in South America, and despite modern scientific methods, there still remains no conclusive answer to this intriguing mystery. The truth is, we will NEVER know, but this begs the question, what other mysterious puzzles have been glossed over to conceal mans ignorance of our history??. The Pyramids, the sphinx, the hanging gardens of babylon, the screw in the amber, the foot print in the coal, etc etc, the list is endless. I find it rather satisfying to know that there are some things out there we truly know fuck all about!!
  • timo180 23 Nov 2004 19:29:19 2,688 posts
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    The Turin Shrowd? ;)
  • silentbob 23 Nov 2004 19:32:54 28,956 posts
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    Um, news to me this one. :) Any linkz0rz?

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  • Frankypanky 23 Nov 2004 20:45:46 918 posts
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    it's been 50 years since its discovery and still nobody has solved Rubik's cube? o_0
  • Jetset_UK 23 Nov 2004 20:47:21 3,563 posts
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    What cube? what screw in amber??

    linkages please.....

  • cubbymoore 23 Nov 2004 20:49:09 36,482 posts
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    Its all a scam!!! Don't listen to him fools!!!
  • warlockuk 23 Nov 2004 20:53:47 19,148 posts
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    Not a Gamecube that fell through the Ocarina of Time?

    I'm a grumpy bastard.

  • Zeitgeist 23 Nov 2004 21:29:05 811 posts
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    I find it rather satisfying to know that there are some things out there we truly know fuck all about!!

    Bit like all of us and this thread then?
  • Shinji 23 Nov 2004 21:51:51 5,903 posts
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    To be fair, we don't understand the building of the pyramids particularly well at all.

    Now, that doesn't mean they were built by aliens, or that you should take Stargate a little more seriously than was intended. It just means that the actual history surrounding their construction is still very poorly understood, and there may be some serious revelations still to come about the Egyptian civilisation.

    (Which are highly unlikely to be of the form "THEY CAME FROM ANOTHER PLANET," and more likely to be of the form "Cor, they were a bit more advanced than we thought and then something shit happened to them.")
  • sam_spade 23 Nov 2004 22:06:44 15,745 posts
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    I hear it never grows dull, or loses it's shine. They say it lies in the fountain of youth across the Alantean seas towards the ends of Earth. That's where you'll find Occam's Razor!
  • sunjumper 23 Nov 2004 22:17:14 3,196 posts
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    otto wrote:
    Eh? Pyramids, Sphinx, Hanging Gardens of Babylon are all perfectly well understood, where's the big mystery? In the case of the pyramids, take a wealthy, well-organised and highly religious theocracy with plenty of raw materials, resources and seasonal labour, and nine times out of ten you're going to come up with some massive erection. ;p And, given the technological stage of these societies, obviously they're going to come up with pyramids as the only sensible and technologically feasible structure on that kind of scale. Occam's Razor, chaps, Occam's Razor. :)


    But isn`t 'The aliens did it!' the most simple answer?


    Disclaimer, I don't think that the pyramids where build by aliens, those ancient egytians were quite clever, just look at the pyramids they built...

    Edit: Added 'I am not a UFO nut' disclaimer.

    Edited by sunjumper at 22:51:20 23-11-2004
  • Zeitgeist 23 Nov 2004 22:28:29 811 posts
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    You know what always gives me a chuckle about 'alien' nuts.

    I got a book from one of them called UFO's and other Unexplained Encounters.

    It never occurred to my friend that he was offering up as 'evidence' a book with 'Unexplained' in the title.
  • Dirtbox 24 Nov 2004 01:48:20 77,686 posts
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    Still no linkles then.

    Screw? Footprint?

    Bollocks.

    +1 / Like / Tweet this post

  • Retroid Moderator 24 Nov 2004 04:08:18 44,505 posts
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    Remember: it's been proven there were no slaves. That was just bible shite.

    The workers were well paid and well cared for.
  • Freylis 24 Nov 2004 08:39:30 995 posts
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    otto wrote:
    Occam's Razor, chaps, Occam's Razor. :)
    Ah, another fellow schooled in the art of medieval problem-solving... :) I love conspiracy theories, but I'm a firm believer in Occam's viewpoint on these things. We're better at extrapolating a potential explanation out of a final outcome than we are at actually constructing something that achieves that outcome in the first place.
  • Epitaph 24 Nov 2004 09:55:51 860 posts
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    FeZZ wrote:
    Seriously, how are you going to get the granite on the boat, of the boat, to the construction site, and then 137 meters high?
    How are you going to feed 20,000 slaves?
    I donnow about using slaves though, it's got to be precise work.

    blah blah

    That's about 100 blocks per slave.

    As someone sorta qualified to comment on masonry and slab transport (I worked in a monumental works for a summer), blocks that size could be quite easily moved horizontally using logs as rollers. Just need enough manpower and rope to pull it over the logs.

    Getting it on the boat? They understood the wedge back then, I think. Off the boat? Pulleys, I'd imagine.

    137m high? Artificial slope built around the perimeter of the pyramid at a fairly gentle incline. Would have taken quite a while to get a block to the summit, but could be accomplished with rollers and without needing a vastly complicated (and feckin' dangerous) pulley system.
  • President_Weasel 24 Nov 2004 10:01:34 9,172 posts
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    FeZZ wrote:
    otto wrote:
    Eh? Pyramids, Sphinx, Hanging Gardens of Babylon are all perfectly well understood, where's the big mystery? In the case of the pyramids, take a wealthy, well-organised and highly religious theocracy with plenty of raw materials, resources and seasonal labour, and nine times out of ten you're going to come up with some massive erection. ;p And, given the technological stage of these societies, obviously they're going to come up with pyramids as the only sensible and technologically feasible structure on that kind of scale. Occam's Razor, chaps, Occam's Razor. :)

    Well, lets say I give you all of those things, how are going to build a pyramid?

    your giving me a well-educated theocracy and a food surplus and you want me to build pyramids? piece of piss.
    gather the three or four best architects in the country and a couple of transport specialists and tell em

    "right lads, the gods want a pyramid. a huge f**king great pyramid. I'll give you a virtually unlimited supply of labour, now get to work.
    by the way, if you don't get the thing completed on time I'll feed you and all your families and neighbours to the sacred crocodiles."

  • silver-jon 24 Nov 2004 10:01:39 1,518 posts
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    Epitaph wrote:
    FeZZ wrote:
    Seriously, how are you going to get the granite on the boat, of the boat, to the construction site, and then 137 meters high?
    How are you going to feed 20,000 slaves?
    I donnow about using slaves though, it's got to be precise work.

    blah blah

    That's about 100 blocks per slave.

    As someone sorta qualified to comment on masonry and slab transport (I worked in a monumental works for a summer), blocks that size could be quite easily moved horizontally using logs as rollers. Just need enough manpower and rope to pull it over the logs.

    Getting it on the boat? They understood the wedge back then, I think. Off the boat? Pulleys, I'd imagine.

    137m high? Artificial slope built around the perimeter of the pyramid at a fairly gentle incline. Would have taken quite a while to get a block to the summit, but could be accomplished with rollers and without needing a vastly complicated (and feckin' dangerous) pulley system.

    Sheesh, they worked you hard that summer ! Couldn't they afford a crane and a lorry ?

    b b dum, tshshshhhhh.
  • Epitaph 24 Nov 2004 10:03:35 860 posts
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    /funky bass riff

    edit: not fumy

    Edited by Epitaph at 10:03:50 24-11-2004
  • Shadrach 24 Nov 2004 10:07:00 1,878 posts
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    What is this cube thing? What is the screw in amber? The footprint in the coal? Links anyone?
  • Zeitgeist 24 Nov 2004 10:25:31 811 posts
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    We're better at extrapolating a potential explanation out of a final outcome than we are at actually constructing something that achieves that outcome in the first place.

    This just can't be right.

    If it were true, then would progress not have stopped entirely? Wouldn't we need more 'final outcomes' to explain and allow us to progres?

    Are we not achieving through our own machines and buildings new final outcomes almost constantly?

    Or are we to believe that all knowledge stems from some rocks in Eygpt and nothing has been thought of since that wasn't back engineered from there?
  • ssuellid 24 Nov 2004 10:28:27 19,141 posts
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    I thought the ramp theory was supposed to be total tosh?

    The angle required would mean that the ramp would have to be very long and therefore not be able to wrap around the outside of the pyramid. Unless you gradually built up the ramp level by level - extending the start point each time. IIRC to reach the top with a usable angle the start point had to be about a mile away from the pyramid.

    Also the weight of the blocks would require a masonary/brick built ramp.
  • Stevas-mkII 24 Nov 2004 10:29:02 3,848 posts
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    Jeez. It's too early for this shit.

    I'm with Dirtbox and Shad on this one.

    i.e.

    WHAT FUCKING CUBE?
  • Stevas-mkII 24 Nov 2004 10:48:59 3,848 posts
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    Almost twenty minutes on, and still no answer!

    You're all gonna make me wait another fifty years now, right? Am I right?
  • Shinji 24 Nov 2004 10:54:17 5,903 posts
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    The application of Occam's Razor in the instance of the pyramids is all very well, but it can't explain the underlying history behind the structures. It's apparent that the people who built them had a far better understanding of aspects of astronomy and engineering than most civilisations which followed them for many years; and more notably, it's interesting that following the construction of the Giza pyramids, the building of such structures went into massive decline.

    That's what I find peculiar - Giza, contrary to popular belief, is the *earliest* set of pyramids. Loads of structures were built later on which were smaller, more poorly constructed, and often outright incorrect in engineering terms (resulting in them falling apart to a lesser or greater degree). That goes against historical norms, where you see a society building smaller prototypes of a class of building and eventually building something amazing; like the Romans building countless small arenas before the Colosseum. The Egyptians built something fucking amazing out of *nowhere*, and then seemingly forgot how to build them...

    Which still doesn't feed into any loony-bin theories. It just means that there's a lot of really interesting history about the pyramids and Egyptian society that we still don't know.
  • guido 24 Nov 2004 10:54:24 498 posts
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    C'mon, spill the beans. What's the cube??
  • cubbymoore 24 Nov 2004 10:59:01 36,482 posts
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    Hasn't anyone realized this is an old scam they use?

    They make people wonder "WTF?" and then they come back about three days later and machete everyone, and then take all their jewelry!

    Just ignore it and no-one will die.
  • Average? 24 Nov 2004 11:00:17 69 posts
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    Yep, it's all bollocks.

    People are so scared of death that anything mystical appeals to that little bit of you that says `if that's really true, then maybe there's an afterlife, or some higher being`

    The existence of aliens would add a very comforting dimension (ha ha) to the universe, and if the universe contains aliens that lends weight to the infinity of it, and infinite universes tend to imply infinite afterlife, or at least a `god` figure who could create something infinite.

    Bloody good solid engineering evolved from getting things continually right, and bloody hard work like people used to have to do to live, that's what built the pyramids.
  • Average? 24 Nov 2004 11:19:09 69 posts
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    Sorry about the doom and gloom people, I got kicked out of a Machinehead gig last night,

    but what bloody cube?

    Please, I know about that fossilised trilobite with a shoe heel (read piece of rock) imprint on it, but what bloody cube bloody thing?
  • Load_2.0 24 Nov 2004 11:25:28 19,137 posts
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    Thats a pretty liberal use of the word "infamous". Im with the "what cube?" Posse.
    Give me the links effect.
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