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  • spindizzy 17 Sep 2012 10:25:07 6,615 posts
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    You've got that totally back to front I think - Apple Inc were sued repeatedly by Apple Records:
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apple_Corps_v_Apple_Computer
  • spamdangled 17 Sep 2012 10:33:46 27,485 posts
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    Ah, so I have! Ignore that one then :-)

    3DS: 4055-2781-2855 Xbox: spamdangled PSN: dark_morgan Wii U: Spamdangle Steam: spamdangled

  • Bremenacht 10 Oct 2012 23:18:39 19,665 posts
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    Apple spends more on patents than R&D

    Follow the link for a read of the NYT article too.
  • Deleted user 10 October 2012 23:27:25
    Spends more on patenting than R&D. It's your link!
  • Khanivor 10 Oct 2012 23:35:45 41,294 posts
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    You could always read the NYT article before rushing to put on your white knight's armour.
  • Deleted user 10 October 2012 23:41:06
    I read the article he linked to. And there was no rush to put on white armour, I just pointed out the difference, it is a rather important distinction.
  • Khanivor 10 Oct 2012 23:48:10 41,294 posts
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    What difference would that be?
  • Deleted user 10 October 2012 23:52:15
    Buying patents and patenting yourself.
  • Deleted user 10 October 2012 23:56:40
    Hurry up with the arsey and passive aggressive khani reply I've got to get up in four hours.
  • Bremenacht 10 Oct 2012 23:56:51 19,665 posts
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    I just copied the headline from CNET. What does it matter? Spending more on either of those things than they do on R+D is significant.
  • Deleted user 11 October 2012 00:01:37
    That is fair enough. It's significant because one involves coming up with an idea - through R&D - and spending extortionate fees on bloody lawyers to have it rubber stamped (or try to). The other involves just buying someone else's ideas. I'm sure the NYT article explains it more and I'll read that tomorrow before commenting anymore, I just wanted to point out the distinction in wording.
  • Bremenacht 11 Oct 2012 00:16:09 19,665 posts
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    In the context of that article, it makes no difference.
    Which headline is worse:

    Apple spends more on buying patents than R&D
    Apple spends more on making patents than R&D

    Either is a sorry state of affairs for a technology/design firm like Apple.

    Only a nit-pickety lawyery type would bother to differentiate. :)
  • spindizzy 11 Oct 2012 01:03:51 6,615 posts
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    It's a pretty twisted take on reality though, of course:
    http://www.technovia.co.uk/2012/10/did-apple-and-google-really-spend-more-on-patents-than-rd-yes-but-its-not-all-it-seems.html

    Tldr version: 2011 was an absolutely exceptional year. Don't expect that to happen again anytime soon, and even then the maths was probably wrong. It's certainly not indicating some deeper trend.
  • Khanivor 11 Oct 2012 01:44:12 41,294 posts
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    Spending on patents doesn't have to mean buying them but the costs associated with filing them and defending them in court. In the context of Apple my first assumption is to think of the costs associated with getting and defending one's patents. I'm not sure many people think about Apple buying a company for its patents but rather of Apple getting patents for basic operations and forms.

    “Even if we knew it wouldn’t get approved, we would file the application anyway,” the former Apple lawyer said in an interview. “If nothing else, it prevents another company from trying to patent the idea.”

    The legal fucking about is where Apple's reputation has rightly taken a knock.
  • spindizzy 11 Oct 2012 07:24:47 6,615 posts
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    I agree in a sense, but honestly, they got sued and lost to stupid patent bullshit - wouldn't you then lawyer up? The real problem is the broken patent system. It's basically impossible to do business in the tech arena without a large catalogue if patents to defend yourself with.

    Anyway it's nonsense to use 2011 to try to suggest that Apple & co don't spent on R&D any more when they spend more than ever.
  • Bremenacht 11 Oct 2012 20:36:35 19,665 posts
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    Well, the scores for 2012 aren't in yet! Could be even worse.

    The NYT article that CNET link to provides a better read and is far more pointedly aimed at the patent system and how apparently broken it is - offering the R+D headline, chewed-up little guys and the Apple-v-Google war as evidence of the system not working. They also describe how difficult it may be to fix the system to the satisfaction of all.
  • Deleted user 27 October 2012 19:05:03
    www.apple.com/uk/legal-judgement

    Brilliant - I don't think even Cartman could have done a better job!

    Edited by mowgli at 19:05:30 27-10-2012
  • Tonka 27 Oct 2012 19:08:32 21,360 posts
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    Cartman? The cartoon character?

    If you can read this you really need to fiddle with your forum settings.

  • Deleted user 27 October 2012 19:27:21
    Yes, the best character in the history of anything, ever.
  • chopsen 27 Oct 2012 19:30:59 16,290 posts
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    I quite like kitkats, and they're about as relevant as cartman to that statement.
  • Deleted user 27 October 2012 19:37:18
    Em, no. Cartman, as in the master of the backhanded fuckyouapology.
  • Deleted user 27 October 2012 19:39:29
    Of all the things that spring to mind about Cartman, that particular trait ranks around the low millions on the list.
  • Deleted user 27 October 2012 19:41:29
    Meh, it was a throwaway comment because it is what came to mind when reading the 'apology'.

    But maybe you aren't as much a connoisseur of all things Cartman as I am.
  • Khanivor 27 Oct 2012 19:41:52 41,294 posts
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    Mowgli's a lawyer. Respect his authority.
  • Deleted user 27 October 2012 19:43:03
    ^^
  • Deleted user 27 October 2012 19:43:15
    An apology worthy of Socrates would have been a better comparison.
  • Deleted user 27 October 2012 19:46:05
    Cartman > Socrates

    And this forum has turned immensely faggy in the past few months so would rather not rely on ancient philosophers for my throwaway comments.
  • Deleted user 27 October 2012 19:49:22
    Ladies and gentlemen, the new generation of the legal system.
  • Tonka 27 Oct 2012 19:53:20 21,360 posts
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    I quite like putting a "=" between Apple and Cartman. I think they have a lot in common.

    If you can read this you really need to fiddle with your forum settings.

  • Deleted user 27 October 2012 19:56:17
    Tonka wrote:
    I quite like putting a "=" between Apple and Cartman. I think they have a lot in common.
    And hence why I used it!

    (I see no irony)

    Edited by mowgli at 19:56:38 27-10-2012
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