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  • Fab4 29 Jun 2011 13:31:59 6,056 posts
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    MetalDog wrote:
    Countdown to the first murder masquerading as a 'I thought he was a robber' now begun.


    They could make a movie out of that scenario...oh wait a moment...they did ;) They even had enough time to make a modern remake :p
  • glaeken 29 Jun 2011 13:33:03 11,169 posts
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    bzzct wrote:
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    I don't see how it will change anything. I don't think it would have ever entered my head not defend myself or my home because it might get me in trouble with the law. You would do what you need to and are able to do.
    Erm, it'll mean you're not arrested/imprisoned for doing that. How is that not different?!?

    I meant that it won't make any difference to how most would actually act in the situation because I don't think anyone really thinks about the law in that situation. People will do what they are going to do based on their inclinations.

    Afterwards yes it might make a difference and I think this is a change for the good I just don't think burglars are going to suddenly stop due to the chance of physical violence as I don't believe that chance has changed.
  • glaeken 29 Jun 2011 13:35:34 11,169 posts
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    smoothpete wrote:
    MetalDog wrote:
    Countdown to the first murder masquerading as a 'I thought he was a robber' now begun.

    stuff < lives
    meh, there are too many people around anyway

    Indeed and not all lives are equal. I am not too worried about harm befalling the types who commit burglary. Most of these people contribute nothing to our society.
  • Jeepers 29 Jun 2011 13:38:52 13,181 posts
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    glaeken wrote:
    smoothpete wrote:
    MetalDog wrote:
    Countdown to the first murder masquerading as a 'I thought he was a robber' now begun.

    stuff < lives
    meh, there are too many people around anyway

    Indeed and not all lives are equal. I am not too worried about harm befalling the types who commit burglary. Most of these people contribute nothing to our society.

    Not true. They give the shuddering middle-classes something to fret about.

    And I'm as middle-class as they come.
  • Tom_Servo 29 Jun 2011 13:40:27 17,888 posts
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    Well, as much as Ken Clarke says things will be much clearer, after reading the BBC article I'm still a bit fuzzy. He doesn't specifically say killing a burglar will be okay as far as I can see, so some people might be jumping the gun a bit here.

    It sounds to me like the amount of "reasonable force" will be more flexible, and you're basically allowed to do what you like barring killing them, attacking them when they're fleeing, or carrying out mob justice.
  • smoothpete 29 Jun 2011 13:44:46 31,502 posts
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    Look on the bright side MD, at least you can now have a sword-fight legally, which is part of the way towards your preferred death (sword-fight on roof I moving train IIRC?)
  • mrpon 29 Jun 2011 13:44:48 28,893 posts
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    So I can't tie up a burglar and pummel his bollocks Casino Royale style?

    Bummer.

    Give yourself 5 or gig, you're worth it.

  • MetalDog 29 Jun 2011 13:50:50 23,697 posts
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    smoothpete wrote:
    Look on the bright side MD, at least you can now have a sword-fight legally, which is part of the way towards your preferred death (sword-fight on roof I moving train IIRC?)

    True!
    I don't currently have a sword, alas. I do have a longbow, but I'd be murdered by the time I got it strung, 45lb pull is a bit much for me after not shooting for so long =)

    -- boobs do nothing for me, I want moustaches and chest hair.

  • smoothpete 29 Jun 2011 13:55:39 31,502 posts
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    MetalDog wrote:
    smoothpete wrote:
    Look on the bright side MD, at least you can now have a sword-fight legally, which is part of the way towards your preferred death (sword-fight on roof I moving train IIRC?)

    True!
    I don't currently have a sword, alas. I do have a longbow, but I'd be murdered by the time I got it strung, 45lb pull is a bit much for me after not shooting for so long =)
    May I suggest investing in one of these
  • glaeken 29 Jun 2011 13:58:32 11,169 posts
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    Dam might have to upgrade my sword.
  • bzzct 29 Jun 2011 13:59:08 1,725 posts
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    glaeken wrote:
    bzzct wrote:
    glaeken wrote:
    I don't see how it will change anything. I don't think it would have ever entered my head not defend myself or my home because it might get me in trouble with the law. You would do what you need to and are able to do.
    Erm, it'll mean you're not arrested/imprisoned for doing that. How is that not different?!?

    I meant that it won't make any difference to how most would actually act in the situation because I don't think anyone really thinks about the law in that situation. People will do what they are going to do based on their inclinations.

    Afterwards yes it might make a difference and I think this is a change for the good I just don't think burglars are going to suddenly stop due to the chance of physical violence as I don't believe that chance has changed.
    I think you've misunderstood what the purpose of the change is.
  • smoothpete 29 Jun 2011 14:05:24 31,502 posts
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    Billy_sastard wrote:
    smoothpete wrote:
    MetalDog wrote:
    smoothpete wrote:
    Look on the bright side MD, at least you can now have a sword-fight legally, which is part of the way towards your preferred death (sword-fight on roof I moving train IIRC?)

    True!
    I don't currently have a sword, alas. I do have a longbow, but I'd be murdered by the time I got it strung, 45lb pull is a bit much for me after not shooting for so long =)
    May I suggest investing in one of these

    Them pigs sure must have pissed him off. Poor pigs. :(
    Well the little fuckers shouldn't have broken into his house, clearly ;)

    (all the meat from those videos is donated to places that feed homeless folks, fyi)
  • rudedudejude 29 Jun 2011 14:20:31 2,171 posts
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    I think I can forsee a new eras of homeowners defending their homes with medieval weapony, broadswords and longbows ahaha.

    Brilliant. I can imagine some guy at the top of the stairs with his sword and longbow "Begone from my castle or I shalt run you through!'

    A longsword or pike might work even better, you could probably stab them from the other end of the hallway.

    Or come flying down the landing swinging a ball and chain around your head.

    I think the image alone would shit enough burglars up for them to run away instantly.
  • Immaterial 29 Jun 2011 15:31:22 1,361 posts
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    Speaking as a homeowner, parent and spouse, I intend to reinforce my upstairs landing, then have an M1 Abrams parked outside the bedroom door with the main gun and co-ax pointing down the stairs. If any burglars come in, I'll just roll the tank down the stairs and squash them with it.

    I got the idea from some guy's fish tank.

    Think I'll just switch everything off.

  • FWB 29 Jun 2011 18:20:40 44,530 posts
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    Think I'll be inviting Vanessa Feltz round for tea this weekend.
  • Oh-Bollox 29 Jun 2011 18:44:28 5,244 posts
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    Can you imagine some poor fucker ascending the staircase merely to burgle the upper floors of one's domicile, only to be confronted with Vanessa rolling down the stairs towards him?

    Puts Indy and the boulder to shame.
  • beastmaster 29 Jun 2011 18:56:02 11,408 posts
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    Is the burglar still dead?

    The Resident Evil films. I'm one of the reasons they keep making them.

  • Deleted user 29 June 2011 19:04:58
    MetalDog wrote:
    Countdown to the first murder masquerading as a 'I thought he was a robber' now begun.

    stuff < lives
    Yeah, defending your 'property' is not about stuff > lives.
  • FWB 29 Jun 2011 19:07:21 44,530 posts
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    Depends on the "lives". Remember, everyone is equal but some are more equal than others.
  • Deleted user 29 June 2011 19:27:17
    I don't think that is the issue. Someone breaks into the house where your wife and children are sleeping. You are not thinking, I need to defend my xbox. (obviously this is assuming worst case scenario, and even then I don't think ignoring it and hoping they go away does much for the family's feeling of safety which is the most important thing there is imo)
  • FWB 29 Jun 2011 19:31:37 44,530 posts
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    I'd use my family as a human shield if it saved my guitar.
  • Gearskin 29 Jun 2011 23:40:52 2,045 posts
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    I should point out that on Friday April 13, 2007, I was caught trying to break into a house.

    In my defence I thought it was my house and I was hammered beyond words. My keys wouldn't work on the door so I tried putting my fists through the door instead. I'm not proud. Lowest point of my life, I'd say. This enraged assault on the door lasted long enough for the police to arrive.

    If... The home owners had stabbed me death, I wouldn't have held it against them. It was about 3am. And I probably seemed like a psycho wanker.
  • Mekanik 30 Jun 2011 00:24:42 3,516 posts
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    FWB wrote:
    I'd use my family as a human shield if it saved my guitar.

    +1

    although i would give my dogs a chance to eat the burglar first before throwing the remains of my family at them.
  • Khanivor 30 Jun 2011 01:01:21 40,728 posts
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    /forwards to Cat
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