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  • Lukus 1 Jul 2011 15:37:59 19,371 posts
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    monkman76 wrote:
    Lukus wrote:
    So what's the best compact you can buy at the moment for under 900?

    Do you mean compact, or interchangeable lens system like PEN, NEX etc? 900 is a LOT for a compact!

    Both, just basically not a great big hulking SLR, but with full manual controls and good specs and lens options.

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  • Deleted user 1 July 2011 15:41:17
    I'm not quite sure who valli was talking to over the page, but things like the Leica x1 and the Fuji thingy are quite specialist.

    The two top compacts right now are the Canon S95 and the Lumix LX5 afaik, although there might be something else. Those are just good solid all in one compacts with nice fast lenses and all that. Both are well under 900.

    Things like PEN and NEX and such is a whole different thing really due to the whole interchangable lens thing.
  • Lukus 1 Jul 2011 15:45:44 19,371 posts
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    I know they're quite specialist, I really like photography and I think my current camera, as trustworthy as it has been over the last 7 or 8 years is holding me back and putting me off. I've toyed with the idea of going SLR but the cost puts me off as I'd want several good lenses.

    I'm just looking for a compromise. I was all set on the Fuji X100 until Otto started going on about shutter lag. Plus it's a bit pricey.

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  • Deleted user 1 July 2011 15:58:10
    Thing is, you could get an SLR and a decent lens for the price of the X100 and it would basically be the same thing, but you'd also have the option of expansion in the future.
  • Deleted user 1 July 2011 16:24:12
    Yes, I was assuming Lukus wanted something along those lines given the price limit mentioned. Lukus, you should try the X100 yourself, I think it's a winner if you can deal with a few odd features and behaviours.

    However, as a replacement for an ancient camera, I'd rather buy a DSLR kit, say the Nikon D5100+18-55. It's small and quite future proof as a backup camera body should you go crazy in the future and get trapped in the whole lens carousel again. :)
  • Lukus 1 Jul 2011 16:52:08 19,371 posts
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    Thanks chaps. I'm going to have to give it all some proper thought over the next few months. It's probably not the best time to be splashing out on new stuff right now either, what with having been made redundant. Unless I can somehow justify it as some kind of self employment aid. Which I probably could... Should probably stop thinking out loud now.

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  • Deleted user 1 July 2011 16:56:36
    I have the same issue with the X100 as I do with the X1, namely if I'm going to spend 1000 on an incredibly specialist and fairly limited use camera, it should do its one specialist job perfectly. Literally perfectly.

    I'm in a right dilemma about my second camera. Would love something like one of these things but I can't really see past the amazing all-round functionality and great value of the S95. It just wins.
  • Deleted user 1 July 2011 17:11:50
    Have you considered the Oly XZ-1? It has a fantastic lens which is very bright, f/1.8-2.5. In 35mm terms, for 400 you can't buy an AF lens from Canikon with those specs (f/2.5@100mm)

    http://www.dpreview.com/reviews/OlympusXZ1/
  • Deleted user 1 July 2011 17:18:22
    Hmmm, sounds decent. Might just come down to what feels best in my hands in the end, can't see too much difference between that and the S95 apart from a slightly quicker lens.
  • monkman76 1 Jul 2011 17:19:55 5,117 posts
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    Lukus wrote:
    monkman76 wrote:
    Lukus wrote:
    So what's the best compact you can buy at the moment for under 900?

    Do you mean compact, or interchangeable lens system like PEN, NEX etc? 900 is a LOT for a compact!

    Both, just basically not a great big hulking SLR, but with full manual controls and good specs and lens options.

    For a big jump in image quality you really want m4/3, NEX or a DSLR, probably in that order of increasing IQ. But the m4/3 cameras easily beat NEX for lens choices. Sony's supposed to be bringing out some new NEX lenses, but there are just 3 at the moment! That said, I just picked up a NEX-3 + 16mm f2.8 for 280, which considering that's a DSLR-sized sensor and a fast lens strikes me as amazing value. Nice camera, poor choice of lenses - for now.

    As someone else said, the new Olys with DSLR-like autofocus speed look a good choice, with some nice new lenses coming too.
  • monkman76 1 Jul 2011 17:25:44 5,117 posts
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    Lukus wrote:
    I know they're quite specialist, I really like photography and I think my current camera, as trustworthy as it has been over the last 7 or 8 years is holding me back and putting me off. I've toyed with the idea of going SLR but the cost puts me off as I'd want several good lenses.

    I'm just looking for a compromise. I was all set on the Fuji X100 until Otto started going on about shutter lag. Plus it's a bit pricey.

    Huh, you mention lens options then say you were set on the X100, where you're stuck at 23mm for life :-)
  • El_MUERkO 1 Jul 2011 17:36:05 17,126 posts
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    kalel wrote:
    I don't know to be honest, perhaps there is some Pana tech in there, but there's no Pana equivalent of those "proper" Leicas. Nothing even close.

    On that note, I didn't realise the M9 was full frame. Want.

    That's pretty much the only reason I love them, full frame means more light per pixel, means better low light photography, more vibrant colours and a more 'natural' look to photos.

    People respond better to photos that capture the detail of a scene as the human eye sees it. That's why myself and Fi went with our photographer for our wedding.
  • Nth 1 Jul 2011 18:04:59 3,124 posts
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    The M9 isn't great at high ISO though despite being full frame. Leica still have a lot to learn about the digital age imo.
  • Lukus 1 Jul 2011 20:25:13 19,371 posts
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    monkman76 wrote:
    Lukus wrote:
    I know they're quite specialist, I really like photography and I think my current camera, as trustworthy as it has been over the last 7 or 8 years is holding me back and putting me off. I've toyed with the idea of going SLR but the cost puts me off as I'd want several good lenses.

    I'm just looking for a compromise. I was all set on the Fuji X100 until Otto started going on about shutter lag. Plus it's a bit pricey.

    Huh, you mention lens options then say you were set on the X100, where you're stuck at 23mm for life :-)

    I said both actually, so neeeh.

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  • otto Moderator 1 Jul 2011 20:51:04 49,339 posts
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    kalel wrote:
    if I'm going to spend 1000 on an incredibly specialist and fairly limited use camera, it should do its one specialist job perfectly. Literally perfectly.
    This is exactly how I feel about it and this is why I sold the X100.

    Wondering what to do now. I'd still like a camera with fast AF and good high ISO performance. What's the D90 like?

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  • Deleted user 1 July 2011 21:19:15
    It's pretty dated now, unless you can find it very cheap. No fun for movies either (tearing, 720p max), they woke up with the introduction of the D3000 or D5000 when it comes to movies.

    Suppose you're talking about the Nikon D90?
  • Jeepers 1 Jul 2011 21:23:34 13,270 posts
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    A d5100 might suit you Otto, as long as you didn't mind the lack of the internal AF motor.

    Smaller, lighter body with image performance more-or-less the same as the d7000. Stick the new 35mm f/1.8 Nikkor on it and you'd be good to go.
  • Deleted user 1 July 2011 21:52:01
    Yep, D5100 would be my suggestion as well. You could even convert some of your Leica glass to it... ;)

    http://leitax.com/leica-lens-for-nikon-cameras.html
  • mal 1 Jul 2011 21:58:57 22,796 posts
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    No motor might be a showstopper for Otto though - he does like his primes, and while Nikon have sorted out internal motor versions of the 50 and 35mm lenses (though one of them is a DX downgrade IIRC) that's about it.

    The D90 is a great upgrade from the D70 - everything that's wrong with the D70 is fixed there. Good high ISO, good screen, good viewfinder. Sure, video is broken, but as a stills camera it seems almost perfect for me. I'm still tempted to get one to replace my D70, but the D7000 confused things for me. But I tried a D7000 in a shop briefly, and it felt rather small and cramped to me.

    If money wasn't tight at the moment, I'd have bought a D90 months ago.

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  • PhoenixFlames 1 Jul 2011 21:59:36 9,227 posts
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    otto wrote:

    kalel wrote:
    if I'm going to spend 1000 on an incredibly specialist and fairly limited use camera, it should do its one specialist job perfectly. Literally perfectly.
    This is exactly how I feel about it and this is why I sold the X100.

    Wondering what to do now. I'd still like a camera with fast AF and good high ISO performance. What's the D90 like?

    Absolutely awesome if you ask me. Had mine about 6 months and can't fault it.

    If you want a DSLR in that price range you won't find better. Check out the reviews, hardly a bad word said.

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  • otto Moderator 1 Jul 2011 22:08:50 49,339 posts
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    (Re D5100) It sounds nice, but no internal AF motor? That means it won't focus older lenses right? Forget that.

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  • otto Moderator 1 Jul 2011 22:10:24 49,339 posts
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    mal wrote:
    No motor might be a showstopper for Otto though - he does like his primes, and while Nikon have sorted out internal motor versions of the 50 and 35mm lenses (though one of them is a DX downgrade IIRC) that's about it.

    The D90 is a great upgrade from the D70 - everything that's wrong with the D70 is fixed there. Good high ISO, good screen, good viewfinder. Sure, video is broken, but as a stills camera it seems almost perfect for me. I'm still tempted to get one to replace my D70, but the D7000 confused things for me. But I tried a D7000 in a shop briefly, and it felt rather small and cramped to me.

    If money wasn't tight at the moment, I'd have bought a D90 months ago.
    Sounds good to me - I couldn't give a monkey's arse for video on a camera.

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  • Deleted user 1 July 2011 22:57:48
    If you really want AF, once you use an AF-S lens (motor inside lens) you won't accept anything else.

    Actually, I don't know if the D5100 can deal with AI lenses (manual focus) which may be a bigger drawback come to think of it. There's lots of top AI lenses for no money around.

    Manual focus is ace for video too, I shot this with a 135mm/2.8 and a set of macro rings:
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bosKOxe0ElM

    This is the same lens, superb quality for around 100:
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KxSTRH5F29E

    You can always put AI lenses on but you have to go manual with nothing but the camera's historygram to guide you. If that and older AF is a top prio, get the D7000 IMHO.
  • otto Moderator 1 Jul 2011 23:10:22 49,339 posts
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    Remember, if I pick up another DSLR, it's as my second camera. I'd use it with my 50/1.8 and my 105/2.8 macro, for pics of the kids on the fly and for macro. My main camera would be the M8. So (a) I don't want to spend too much and (b) the AF and noise performance is key, I've already got a camera for high quality manual lenses.

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  • Jeepers 2 Jul 2011 09:26:42 13,270 posts
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    On the Nikon side that leaves the new d7000 or the one-gen behind d90. The former gives better iso performance, a markedly better/tougher body and some nice legacy lens compatibility but it's large and pricier than the d90.

    You could replace your 50 f/1.8 with the newer model which has an internal af motor - that would work on the d5100 perfectly well. Does the 105 macro not have an internal af motor?
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