Leica M9. No Otto!

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  • El_MUERkO 22 Jun 2011 00:39:33 16,949 posts
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    Leica M9-P looks like it costs a fortune, doesn't disappoint.

    Damn their insanely priced items of sqee!
  • Dirtbox 22 Jun 2011 00:43:15 77,467 posts
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    I don't really understand this stuff. It looks like a bit of a crappy cheapo eastern block camera from the 70s, but stick it in a couple of porn shots™ and it's suddenly camera buff heaven.

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  • Ged42 22 Jun 2011 00:47:51 7,700 posts
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    An 'almost silent' shutter, just what you want for hiding in bushes and taking pictures of tits.
  • Dirtbox 22 Jun 2011 02:49:10 77,467 posts
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    Ged42 wrote:
    for hiding in bushes and taking pictures of kids.

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  • kinky_mong 22 Jun 2011 15:02:33 9,952 posts
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    ...Mr Roboto.

    I'll never get my Orc looking the same again.

  • cianchristopher 22 Jun 2011 15:18:48 6,360 posts
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    Yeah, but Steve Jobs once compared the aesthetics of an iPhone 4 to those of a "beautiful old Leica camera" in one of his keynotes, so they're super-cool!!!
  • smoothpete 22 Jun 2011 15:26:22 31,331 posts
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    Dirtbox wrote:
    I don't really understand this stuff. It looks like a bit of a crappy cheapo eastern block camera from the 70s, but stick it in a couple of porn shots™ and it's suddenly camera buff heaven.
    Think of it like a fountain pen vs a biro. A biro is more useful, more versatile, less hassle etc etc. But there's still something great about fountain pens. Class perhaps.

    There are many advantages to Leicas. There's no mirror, for one thing. Just the shutter curtain. Very quiet, unobtrusive. Some people talk about the fact that the subject can see most of the photographer's face (assuming they're using the right eye in the viewfinder). Quick to manually focus. Er... few other things. Mostly though it's just a badge of honour for bragging. "I use a Leica dontyouknow"
  • kalel 22 Jun 2011 15:29:49 86,328 posts
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    When you actually see a Leica in the flesh and hold one, that whole “it looks a bit shit” thing disappears. They ooze quality.

    They are definitely a little bit of a poser’s toy though. They have amazing quality to the shots, but there’s no justifying the price.
  • rock27gr 22 Jun 2011 15:55:57 5,560 posts
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    The problem with Leica is that these days there's always the equivalent Panasonic model that is much cheaper for practically the same camera.
  • urban 22 Jun 2011 15:59:55 10,923 posts
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    Designer branded hyper expensive nonsense. I've got better glass on my canonet that cost £35.
  • kalel 22 Jun 2011 16:01:45 86,328 posts
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    rock27gr wrote:
    The problem with Leica is that these days there's always the equivalent Panasonic model that is much cheaper for practically the same camera.

    That's true of the lower end compacts but not really the rest.
  • rock27gr 22 Jun 2011 16:38:11 5,560 posts
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    I was wondering about that actually. So is this a totally different design then, with no input and reuse of Panasonic technology from Leica?
  • kalel 22 Jun 2011 16:41:33 86,328 posts
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    I don't know to be honest, perhaps there is some Pana tech in there, but there's no Pana equivalent of those "proper" Leicas. Nothing even close.

    On that note, I didn't realise the M9 was full frame. Want.
  • Nth 23 Jun 2011 14:21:32 3,118 posts
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    Interesting read here about the M9, a bit more honest than the constant gushing on the web you normally get. You'd think the fucking thing could cure cancer.

    http://diglloyd.com/blog/2011/20110610_2-LeicaM9-Letter.html
  • Nth 23 Jun 2011 14:22:43 3,118 posts
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    The main new feature of the M9-P is a glass cover so you don't scratch the 2004 specification 230k screen.
  • MetalDog 23 Jun 2011 14:25:38 23,708 posts
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    Do any of you photographer buffs make your own cameras? I'd imagine you could discover some really interesting effects that way.

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  • UncleLou Moderator 23 Jun 2011 14:45:38 35,423 posts
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    These things are expensive because there's lots of manual labour involved, in an industrialised country. Comparing them to China-produced stuff is understandable from a consumer's point of view, obviously, but the price is justified by that. Their margin (in percent) is lower than for anything made by Canon, Nikon, or whatever.
  • kalel 23 Jun 2011 14:54:06 86,328 posts
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    UncleLou wrote:
    These things are expensive because there's lots of manual labour involved, in an industrialised country. Comparing them to China-produced stuff is understandable from a consumer's point of view, obviously, but the price is justified by that. Their margin (in percent) is lower than for anything made by Canon, Nikon, or whatever.

    I don’t think that’s true for the compacts. The Leica compact and the Panasonic equivalent I believe are made in the same factory, and they just go into different bodies, and Leica then charge an extra £250 for literally exactly the same camera.

    I personally suspect they do a similar mark up on some of their other cameras as well. I appreciate labour is much cheaper in China but still, the difference in price is astonishing.
  • Deleted user 30 June 2011 20:02:26
    This makes me feel less bad about finalizing a deal for a 2nd hand pro Nikkor zoom... I liked the fact he sold the body and uses his M lenses on a NEX cam for less cost than a M9 lens cap costs. :)

    (exagerating a bit... perhaps)
  • otto Moderator 30 Jun 2011 22:38:41 49,298 posts
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    My Leica is the nuts. That is all. :p

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  • otto Moderator 30 Jun 2011 22:52:32 49,298 posts
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    More seriously, though, the fact is there's some truth in both sides of the argument. The Leica-badged Panasonics are, to me, a way for Leica and Panasonic to skim some money off brand whores. The M-series cameras are in a separate category. Whereas most big brand cameras are designed and built with an eye to affordability as well as quality, Leica have decided that they can't compete with the Japanese on affordability so they have gone all-out for quality and damn the affordability. This means that they charge insanely high prices for very highly-specced and meticulously-built chunks of engineering. BUT that doesn't mean that the quality in an image taken with a Leica rangefinder is necessarily any better than a similar image taken with a camera a fraction of the price. I've taken more photos that please me with my D70 than I have with my M8. On my photoblog some of my favourite photos are taken on my phone ffs.

    So why in God's name fork out stupid money on an M8 or M9 then? Well, here are a few reasons: (1) as beautifully made precision-built pieces of engineering and design they are simply lovely to hold and use, and some people like paying for that; (2) they hold their value, even their digital bodies. Given that I bought my M8 second-hand shortly after the launch of the M9, I should get most of my outlay back if and when I come to sell it. There will be some depreciation, but much less than on a Canon/Nikon DSLR. As for the lenses, all mine are bought second-hand, and they retain their value; I recently sold my 50mm Summicron for more than I paid for it. So - if you have the cash floating about to pay for it up front - in many ways it's a much wiser investment than the latest flash Canon/Nikon kit. (3) they do take lovely photos. (4) there is pleasure in going fully manual, although you don't need an expensive Leica for that; but the minimalist nature of the camera does help you learn how to take photographs and makes it a pleasure.

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  • otto Moderator 30 Jun 2011 22:54:57 49,298 posts
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    (5) Luigi!!!

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  • Lukus 30 Jun 2011 23:08:11 18,996 posts
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    So what's the best compact you can buy at the moment for under £900?

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  • PrivateFloyd 30 Jun 2011 23:11:25 4,103 posts
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    Olympus announced the new PEN range today. The e-p3 looks very nice.

    failing that i bought a PEN E-P1 for a bargain last week and i love it.

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  • monkman76 1 Jul 2011 09:34:26 3,948 posts
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    Lukus wrote:
    So what's the best compact you can buy at the moment for under £900?

    Do you mean compact, or interchangeable lens system like PEN, NEX etc? £900 is a LOT for a compact!
  • kalel 1 Jul 2011 09:40:48 86,328 posts
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    What's the video like on the PENs? Is it full HD?
  • Deleted user 1 July 2011 09:48:40
    I'd go for a Fuji X100 to be honest.

    Either that or splash 1/3 of that cash on the Olympus XZ-1 and save the rest for when the other big names release their versions of the X100/Leica X1.
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