Panasonic 20mm pancake

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  • TheRealBadabing 16 Jun 2011 14:31:28 1,314 posts
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    Just not getting on with this one. Was hoping it would be my standard lens like my old Canon 50mm 1.8 but it's not for me. Amazing quality images but it's a little too wide for my needs.

    Anyway, if anyone is interested I have stuck it on ebay.
  • Tonka 16 Jun 2011 15:47:11 20,432 posts
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    Why is everyone raving about the 20mm? I feel like an idiot for getting the 14 now.

    If you can read this you really need to fiddle with your forum settings.

  • ram 16 Jun 2011 16:02:20 3,481 posts
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    Optimistic price.

    20mm is 40mm on a 4/3rd camera so not far off. You could move just a little bit closer.
  • mal 16 Jun 2011 16:06:51 22,554 posts
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    Your old 50mm on a non-full-frame Canon would have been about 75mm equivalent. The 20mm is more like a 28mm lens on a cropped sensor camera.

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  • henro_ben 16 Jun 2011 16:09:52 2,216 posts
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    Tonka wrote:
    Why is everyone raving about the 20mm? I feel like an idiot for getting the 14 now.

    It's meant to be sharper & has a nicer bokeh - allegedly. On the other hand the 14mm is faster focusing & quieter in operation.

    I wouldn't worry about it personally.

    Edit: Just had a look at the OP's listing - very optimistic price. You can get the lens brand new from Dixons for less than that!
  • TheRealBadabing 16 Jun 2011 16:24:13 1,314 posts
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    Yeah it's optimistic but I've stuck on best offer as well. Picked up a MkII kit lens for 133 so need to replenish funds.

    If I get 250 for it I will be happy enough as I bought the lens and an E-PL1 for 350 in total.
  • mal 16 Jun 2011 16:25:23 22,554 posts
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    Blimey, if you get that for it you'll be quids in and no messing about.

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  • TheRealBadabing 16 Jun 2011 16:31:04 1,314 posts
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    Hadn't realised retailers had it back in stock and ebay prices always seem to be higher anyway, probably due to paypal.

    Fair criticism though, have dropped the price a bit.
  • Nth 18 Jun 2011 15:58:50 3,121 posts
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    I just paid 269 for mine in Jessops of all places as they were 20 cheaper than anywhere online. eBay price only just settled down, they were selling for over 300 a few weeks back.
  • Nth 18 Jun 2011 16:00:24 3,121 posts
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    Not sure what henro says about Dixons though.
  • TheRealBadabing 18 Jun 2011 16:30:09 1,314 posts
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    Definitely a lens for someone of your ability Nth. Loved the quality but it was just that little bit too slow to focus for me.

    Sold mine for £250 and am satisfied with that. Problem is my new 14-44 hasn't turned up yet so I'm left with just a monster 70-200 Canon FD stuck to my little E-PL1. And there I was moaning about slow focusing speed ;
  • TheRealBadabing 18 Jun 2011 16:40:50 1,314 posts
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    Hehe that's at the cheap end of lens prices.
  • PrivateFloyd 18 Jun 2011 16:52:32 4,133 posts
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    Seems as good a place as any to ask seeing as there is an e-pl1 owner and an e-p1 owner frequenting this thread at the mo.

    I am looking at getting a PEN. e-p2 range is outside of my budget so for those that have them what are your opinions of e-pl1 and the e-p1.

    Nth does the lack of flash bother you, what about no viewfinder?

    Badabing what is the plastic finish like on the e-pl1? is the flash any good? do you miss not having a proper control dial for aperture/shutter speed etc.

    I found this site selling what appears to be a bargain compared to everywhere else, anyone used them?

    http://www.simplyelectronics.net/mainproduct.php?pid=13659&sd=cont

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  • AaronTurner 18 Jun 2011 17:09:24 7,741 posts
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    With the E-PL1 you have the option in the future of adding a viewfinder, with the E-P1 you don't.
  • TheRealBadabing 18 Jun 2011 17:29:39 1,314 posts
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    Losing chunky dials for manual settings is actually a lot less of an issue than I thought it might be.

    The build quality is still solid on the E-PL1. Never going to feel as good as a full metal frame though. As I said earlier, mine is "hanging out the back" of a large, heavy lens and it still feels secure. Definitely go for a silver body though. My black looks good but not as retro as the lovely E-P1.

    End of the day I had the same budget/choice as you and went for the E-PL1 simply because of the expansion slot and flash. By the way, though it's not the biggest bulb out there, it is possible to angle the flash to bounce it.
  • Nth 18 Jun 2011 17:32:06 3,121 posts
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    I'm happy with my E-P1, especially considering the price I paid. I don't use flash so that's a non issue. Screen isn't amazing but it does the job well and works OK in bright light. With the pancake lens it's fantastic. I love the build too, feels like a proper old school camera whereas the E-PL1 looks cheap (because it is). AF isn't the fastest but then it's not an SLR. If you want faster AF then you need the E-PL2 or a Pana GF1 afaic. Using Lightroom on the raw's you can control noise pretty nicely, and it's reputation for brilliant jpegs straight out of the camera is justified. Will try the pancake properly on Wednesday in France. Oh and controls work really well too.
  • TheRealBadabing 18 Jun 2011 17:37:34 1,314 posts
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    There you go, both more than happy with our cameras :)

    But nobody calls my Penny cheap.

    /Pistols, Dawn.
  • TheRealBadabing 18 Jun 2011 17:47:39 1,314 posts
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    Almost forgot: Olympus are due to announce their new PENs very soon.

    Might see some good prices on the E-PL2 appearing. Best of both worlds with better build, a much improved kit lens, bigger display and an extra dial.
  • PrivateFloyd 18 Jun 2011 18:17:10 4,133 posts
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    Cheers boys.

    As i said that price i linked too having done a bit more research i am pretty happy with so i have just ordered one.

    If money wasnt an issue i would be all over a leica or fuji x100. The PEN looks like a nice compromise and suits my style of shooting nicely.

    Nth - just look your photos encouraged me to buy an S90 it would now appear you have swayed me to an e-p1. I have given the wife your contact details, she is not happy ; )

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  • Nth 18 Jun 2011 18:22:58 3,121 posts
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    Ask her to add up what she spends on make up and hair products in a year ;)
  • PrivateFloyd 18 Jun 2011 18:49:46 4,133 posts
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    Heh

    This is true!!

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