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  • nickthegun 5 Apr 2013 21:35:12 59,450 posts
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    Hah, nintendo dont have full tools and documentation for the console they designed. Classic The_Worst.

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  • Armoured_Bear 5 Apr 2013 21:36:07 10,582 posts
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    Cappy wrote:
    Armoured_Bear wrote:
    Cappy wrote:
    Armoured_Bear wrote:
    Yes, they made a cunt of the SDK and tools but do you know for sure that they have better tools that they're not sharing?
    Who said anything about them not sharing a fully featured tool set?

    They probably have a long way to go for anything they're using internally if their output so far is any indication. They can't even get the OS running at the sort of speed people would expect.
    I meant documentation tot tools, sorry.
    Are you drunk? Of course Nintendo will have full documentation on a system they designed from the ground up. Anything there is to know about how the Wii U's components work and interact will be documented for Nintendo's internal teams.

    Software engineers need to know certain things, the alternative is pissed off publishers spending money they didn't need to, for guys to figure things out that Nintendo could have disclosed in outline documentation.

    It very much smacks of 80s and 90s Nintendo that actively tried to keep third parties in the dark so that first party games would have a technical advantage.

    Aha, so you don't know, it's the usual paranoid drivel.

    Armoured_Bear wrote:
    Please Explain.
    Slower RAM than either the PS3 or 360, a slower CPU than either the PS3 or 360. You'll have to help me out here, in what way is that better then the PS3 and the 360?

    Better = Worse
    Worse = Better
    First of all, you don't know if the CPU is slower or not.
    Secondly, although the RAM is slower it has large amounts of EDRAM and the memory speed has been praised by devs so it's no doubt being used to make up for the system RAM.
    You conveniently omit the significantly higher RAM and significantly more capable GPU.

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  • Cappy 5 Apr 2013 21:53:52 11,901 posts
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    Armoured_Bear wrote:
    You conveniently omit the significantly higher RAM and significantly more capable GPU.
    It's not relevant to the argument, which is that the Wii U isn't outright better than the PS3 and 360.

    It should be, but it isn't.
  • neilka 5 Apr 2013 21:56:04 15,849 posts
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    It's clearly going to have the best version of all the forthcoming multiplatform games like...

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    Toki Tori 2?

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  • nickthegun 5 Apr 2013 21:58:41 59,450 posts
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    Bold = business meant

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  • nickthegun 5 Apr 2013 22:00:02 59,450 posts
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    QUICK! FOR THE LOVE OF GOD SOMEONE MENTION THE GPGPGPGPU!

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  • Aretak 5 Apr 2013 22:00:59 10,350 posts
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    neilka wrote:
    It's clearly going to have the best version of all the forthcoming multiplatform games like...

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    Toki Tori 2?
    Don't forget Deus Ex: Human Revoltion, one of the top ten games of 2011!
  • Armoured_Bear 5 Apr 2013 22:06:41 10,582 posts
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    Cappy wrote:
    Armoured_Bear wrote:
    You conveniently omit the significantly higher RAM and significantly more capable GPU.
    It's not relevant to the argument, which is that the Wii U isn't outright better than the PS3 and 360.

    It should be, but it isn't.
    Of course it is, why on earth are the recent ports like NFS and Deux Ex being beefed up?

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  • nickthegun 5 Apr 2013 22:10:50 59,450 posts
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    BECAUSE THEY ARE TWO YEARS OLD

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  • JuanKerr 5 Apr 2013 22:23:16 36,240 posts
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    Pardon?
  • ElNino9 5 Apr 2013 22:28:19 13,371 posts
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    System sellers.

    Hated, adored, never ignored.

  • neilka 5 Apr 2013 22:31:15 15,849 posts
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    nickthegun wrote:
    BECAUSE THEY ARE TWO YEARS OLD
    Suddenly ecosse's fascination with them makes sense.

    A map is like comparing velocity and speed.

  • bemaniac 5 Apr 2013 22:36:44 62 posts
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    here's everyones problem: you are comparing the wii u to the current generation of consoles. It's not intended to compete with those.
  • nickthegun 5 Apr 2013 22:38:39 59,450 posts
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    Whats it intended to compete with then? The Master System?

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  • neilka 5 Apr 2013 22:39:14 15,849 posts
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    What is it intended to compete with?

    A map is like comparing velocity and speed.

  • nickthegun 5 Apr 2013 22:44:03 59,450 posts
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    Thats a good question, neil

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  • neilka 5 Apr 2013 22:50:25 15,849 posts
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    What is it intended to compete with?

    A map is like comparing velocity and speed.

  • nickthegun 5 Apr 2013 22:52:41 59,450 posts
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    It competes with that

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  • darrenb 5 Apr 2013 22:53:28 677 posts
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    Does it have to compete with anything??

    If it provides something a little different and does that well over time then it won't have a problem. I'd prefer it if they had no multiplatform games at all on it and concentrated on smaller more quirky games.

    Even to say abandon the retail model and have a varied selection of arcade shooters, puzzle games, platformers and the like on the eshop.

    Things like warioware would suit this, download a basic pack, then download additional bits you want from the game.

    I am looking forward to seeing what comes from the new other consoles, but if all they can provide is glorified animated movies with small bits of gameplay breaking the story up I'll be going back to other places to find my arcade type fix.
  • neilka 5 Apr 2013 22:53:49 15,849 posts
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    It hasn't got a leg to stand on.

    A map is like comparing velocity and speed.

  • neilka 5 Apr 2013 22:55:54 15,849 posts
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    Sadly things do have to compete with other similar things whether they like it or not.

    A map is like comparing velocity and speed.

  • addyb 5 Apr 2013 22:59:37 1,045 posts
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    neilka wrote:
    It hasn't got a leg to stand on.
    I've got a stand for mine
  • darrenb 5 Apr 2013 23:02:28 677 posts
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    Just makes me smile though as with the logic of most people here the 3ds should have died a painful death once the vita arrived.. Better, faster etc,etc....

    But its still going strong with hardly a vita in sight.. The same with DS and PSP...
  • Aretak 5 Apr 2013 23:51:26 10,350 posts
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    The 3DS would have been a disaster had Nintendo not desperately slashed a third off its price tag five months after launch. Given that Nintendo have repeatedly stated they won't do the same with the Wii U, I'm not sure why there's any cause for optimism that the Wii U will enjoy a similar revival in fortunes.
  • mal 5 Apr 2013 23:58:57 22,453 posts
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    The 3DS would have been a disaster had Nintendo not released some decent games for it at last.

    Plus, no one wants a Vita.

    Cubby didn't know how to turn off sigs!

  • Ienjoysquid 6 Apr 2013 00:09:41 30 posts
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    All this does remind me a lot of when the Wii came out. Even once it was released the specs seemed a bit secret and a lot of people assumed it would offer considerably more power than it did. I think it was estimated to be a few times more powerful than the Xbox, whereas I don't remember many Wii games that evidenced even being as powerful as the Xbox.

    Could the Wii have done Halo 2?

    Also we were all waiting for the unique controller to really deliver, for the 1st party triple A titles to arrive, for 3rd parties to get to grips with is and roll out some exclusives.

    Its all far too deja vu for me, so i think I'll sit this iteration of Nintendo's console out, though I wish anyone who has one all the best and I hope the Big N comes through for them.
  • Sandbox 6 Apr 2013 00:23:21 339 posts
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    Not sure I see the point of this discussion. The milkman could tell you that Nintendo will be around long after the Wii U has passed or failed the Eurogamer thread test. The DS and Pokemon alone will see to that.

    What is going to define the next generation will be the publics response to Sony and Microsoft essentially launching the same thing, and if either of them can actually make any money out of doing so.

    Personally I think they should have marketed the Wii U as a gaming tablet.
  • addyb 6 Apr 2013 00:50:20 1,045 posts
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    mal wrote:
    The 3DS would have been a disaster had Nintendo not released some decent games for it at last.

    Plus, no one wants a Vita.
    I love my 3DS and Vita. Infact I love all my gaming kit. Funnily enough I play games on all of them and quite often have a jolly good time. :)

    Had a rather spiffing night of mariokart and Luigi's mansion 2 with a mate followed by some Lego city undercover. Tomorrow its possibly some Everybodys golf on vita or ps3.

    The world is my oyster!

    *spins round and round gazing gleefully at my Nintendo and sony kit*

    ;)
  • Aretak 6 Apr 2013 00:57:17 10,350 posts
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    Sandbox wrote:
    Personally I think they should have marketed the Wii U as a gaming tablet.
    Who cares? Nintendo will be around long after the Wii U anyway (thanks to the 3DS and Pokemon), so what some pleb in a Eurogamer thread thinks they should have done doesn't matter. Even the milkman could tell you that.
  • Ienjoysquid 6 Apr 2013 01:03:41 30 posts
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    I am pretty sure my milkman would not want to participate in this discussion.
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