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  • RobTheBuilder 5 Apr 2013 19:38:08 6,521 posts
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    @ElNino9 don't repeat falsehoods.
  • Progguitarist 5 Apr 2013 19:40:06 10,439 posts
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    Armoured_Bear wrote:
    Progguitarist wrote:
    Well, your arguement is with him then. :D
    Is that backfiring noises I hear? :p
    Yeah man, sorry. Wasn't trying to be a newbie.
  • ElNino9 5 Apr 2013 19:44:47 13,427 posts
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    RobTheBuilder wrote:
    @ElNino9 don't repeat falsehoods.
    It's not really untrue though, is it?

    If the PS4/NextBox make it out before the end of the year, then I'm guessing the Wii U is well and truely fucked.

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  • RobTheBuilder 5 Apr 2013 19:53:21 6,521 posts
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    @ElNino9 well aside from a few rushed early ports it seems that wiiU games are easily capable of looking better, so your statement was a bit silly.
  • RobTheBuilder 5 Apr 2013 19:54:28 6,521 posts
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    @ElNino9 also. If its cheap enough the big Nintendo games will sell plenty of systems. Especially if Sony and MS go high on price or have higher title prices
  • Cappy 5 Apr 2013 20:05:30 11,933 posts
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    Which ones were the rushed early ports for the Wii U?

    Not forgetting that Nintendo was supporting the third party ports with some coin, television advertising no less, I'm not sure how anybody can argue that any of the launch ports were afterthoughts, Mass Effect 3 for instance was a years work.

    Hey Nintendo! We just had some guys port one of our games to the Wii U in six weeks, how about you pay for our marketing?

    Ports are not impressive because:

    A) The Wii U isn't outright better than the PS3 and 360, there are numerous areas where it lags behind the other two.

    B) Nintendo did it the Nintendo way, the way that really endeared platforms like the N64 to developers. All hardware documentation is kept to themselves, they provided developers with no real help in getting anything off the ground. Not only do they have to port the games but they have to pay people to create tools and figure out everything from scratch along the way.

    Edited by Cappy at 20:06:29 05-04-2013
  • Armoured_Bear 5 Apr 2013 20:07:28 11,136 posts
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    Cappy wrote:
    Which ones were the rushed early ports for the Wii U?

    Not forgetting that Nintendo was supporting the third party ports with some coin, television advertising no less, I'm not sure how anybody can argue that any of the launch ports were afterthoughts, Mass Effect 3 for instance was a years work.

    Hey Nintendo! We just had some guys port one of our games to the Wii U in six weeks, how about you pay for our marketing?

    Ports are not impressive because:

    A) The Wii U isn't outright better than the PS3 and 360, there are numerous areas where it lags behind the other two.

    Please Explain.

    B) Nintendo did it the Nintendo way, the way that really endeared platforms like the N64 to developers. All hardware documentation is kept to themselves, they provided developers with no real help in getting anything off the ground. Not only do they have to port the games but they have to pay a lot people to create tools and figure out everything from scratch along the way.

    Yes, they made a cunt of the SDK and tools but do you know for sure that they have better tools that they're not sharing?

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  • Armoured_Bear 5 Apr 2013 20:09:21 11,136 posts
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    For those that insist that Nintendo are doing nothing

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  • RobTheBuilder 5 Apr 2013 20:11:36 6,521 posts
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    @Armoured_Bear not a guaranteed fix but a good start
  • neilka 5 Apr 2013 20:12:57 15,914 posts
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    The sweet smell of desperation.

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  • Deleted user 5 April 2013 20:14:31
    DarkSpaceDS wrote:
    Does anyone think Nintendo is planning to start again by release a real next gen console after the Xbox 720 and PS4 are released but with better specs and features ?
    No.
  • Armoured_Bear 5 Apr 2013 20:18:35 11,136 posts
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    RobTheBuilder wrote:
    @Armoured_Bear not a guaranteed fix but a good start
    Indeed.

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  • Armoured_Bear 5 Apr 2013 20:19:14 11,136 posts
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    DarkSpaceDS wrote:
    Does anyone think Nintendo is planning to start again by release a real next gen console after the Xbox 720 and PS4 are released but with better specs and features ?

    I can't see Wii U lasting 5 years even with its exclusives. Wii U shouldn't exist imo. Should have waited until next gen started then a shock announcement of their all powerful console and buying full exclusive rights to games like GTA and COD.

    Thats what they should have done.
    Nope, that's not Nintendo.

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  • nickthegun 5 Apr 2013 20:20:00 59,905 posts
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    Armoured_Bear wrote:
    For those that insist that Nintendo are doing nothing
    Yeah, brilliant. A twitter post by some guy who has heard from some guy that they are giving out free dev kits to develop games that wont come out for over a year.

    You are absolutely laughable, The_Worst.

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  • RobTheBuilder 5 Apr 2013 20:22:18 6,521 posts
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    Sadly it does seem like Nintendo could have helped their cause a lot by adding 20 to the hardware component costs.

    No one cares that it's not as powerful as PS4, but the fact people aren't sure it's more powerful than a 360 is making the problems far worse
  • addyb 5 Apr 2013 20:31:11 1,049 posts
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    DarkSpaceDS wrote:
    RobTheBuilder wrote:
    Sadly it does seem like Nintendo could have helped their cause a lot by adding 20 to the hardware component costs.

    No one cares that it's not as powerful as PS4, but the fact people aren't sure it's more powerful than a 360 is making the problems far worse
    Thats the problem right there. It isn't as powerful as a 360.
    Explain.
  • RobTheBuilder 5 Apr 2013 20:33:17 6,521 posts
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    @DarkSpaceDS well if you consider it has produced games that are more advanced than 360 that's a strange statement.

    It might not be stronger in every department but clearly it is overall more powerful... Even if not by anywhere near as much as it should be
  • Armoured_Bear 5 Apr 2013 20:35:14 11,136 posts
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    DarkSpaceDS wrote:
    RobTheBuilder wrote:
    Sadly it does seem like Nintendo could have helped their cause a lot by adding 20 to the hardware component costs.

    No one cares that it's not as powerful as PS4, but the fact people aren't sure it's more powerful than a 360 is making the problems far worse
    Thats the problem right there. It isn't as powerful as a 360.
    Stop talking out of your arse.

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  • nickthegun 5 Apr 2013 20:37:46 59,905 posts
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    Hes symptomatic though, The_Worst. People really do think that.

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  • ElNino9 5 Apr 2013 20:52:09 13,427 posts
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    RobTheBuilder wrote:
    @ElNino9 well aside from a few rushed early ports it seems that wiiU games are easily capable of looking better, so your statement was a bit silly.
    I've seen NFS:MW which was supposedly a visual upgrade.

    It's not a silly statement. I'm sure you can get a PS3/360 for around the 100 mark when the new consoles are released. The game prices will drop, and ports of the same game will cost 20 more.

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  • Progguitarist 5 Apr 2013 20:55:32 10,439 posts
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    Just give me a new Metroid game.

    That's all I want Nintendo, you fuckfaces.
  • Cappy 5 Apr 2013 21:13:23 11,933 posts
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    Armoured_Bear wrote:
    Yes, they made a cunt of the SDK and tools but do you know for sure that they have better tools that they're not sharing?
    Who said anything about them not sharing a fully featured tool set?

    They probably have a long way to go for anything they're using internally if their output so far is any indication. They can't even get the OS running at the sort of speed people would expect.

    Edited by Cappy at 21:13:53 05-04-2013
  • Armoured_Bear 5 Apr 2013 21:13:43 11,136 posts
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    ElNino9 wrote:
    RobTheBuilder wrote:
    @ElNino9 well aside from a few rushed early ports it seems that wiiU games are easily capable of looking better, so your statement was a bit silly.
    I've seen NFS:MW which was supposedly a visual upgrade.

    It's not a silly statement. I'm sure you can get a PS3/360 for around the 100 mark when the new consoles are released. The game prices will drop, and ports of the same game will cost 20 more.
    According to the developers, all reviewers and everyone else on the web as well as digital foundry it is a visual upgrade with higher res textures, better lightning and effects.

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  • Armoured_Bear 5 Apr 2013 21:14:39 11,136 posts
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    Cappy wrote:
    Armoured_Bear wrote:
    Yes, they made a cunt of the SDK and tools but do you know for sure that they have better tools that they're not sharing?
    Who said anything about them not sharing a fully featured tool set?

    They probably have a long way to go for anything they're using internally if their output so far is any indication. They can't even get the OS running at the sort of speed people would expect.
    I meant documentation tot tools, sorry.

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  • neilka 5 Apr 2013 21:17:58 15,914 posts
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    Edited by neilka at 21:18:51 05-04-2013

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  • Cappy 5 Apr 2013 21:30:37 11,933 posts
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    Armoured_Bear wrote:
    Cappy wrote:
    Armoured_Bear wrote:
    Yes, they made a cunt of the SDK and tools but do you know for sure that they have better tools that they're not sharing?
    Who said anything about them not sharing a fully featured tool set?

    They probably have a long way to go for anything they're using internally if their output so far is any indication. They can't even get the OS running at the sort of speed people would expect.
    I meant documentation tot tools, sorry.
    Are you drunk? Of course Nintendo will have full documentation on a system they designed from the ground up. Anything there is to know about how the Wii U's components work and interact will be documented for Nintendo's internal teams.

    Software engineers need to know certain things, the alternative is pissed off publishers spending money they didn't need to, for guys to figure things out that Nintendo could have disclosed in outline documentation.

    It very much smacks of 80s and 90s Nintendo that actively tried to keep third parties in the dark so that first party games would have a technical advantage.

    Armoured_Bear wrote:
    Please Explain.
    Slower RAM than either the PS3 or 360, a slower CPU than either the PS3 or 360. You'll have to help me out here, in what way is that better then the PS3 and the 360?

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