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phAge wrote:More like putting it in a hornets nest apparently.
I get why they want to hurt Sony, but why fuck with the FBI and NATO? Isn't that a bit like putting your cock on the chopping board?
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convz wrote:Stupid post #1
why are you defending these people? what they're doing is inexcusable, going after sony was bad enough but nato and the fbi? no.
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Dirtbox wrote:So... what? What is your reasoning to think hacking Nato/FBI is a good idea? Why? Why do it?convz wrote:Stupid post #1
why are you defending these people? what they're doing is inexcusable, going after sony was bad enough but nato and the fbi? no.
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Dirtbox wrote:What makes you say that? I've little to no idea about the state of the art in what they do, but when I first heard of that low orbit packet cannon software they were using, it was a spectacularly simple bit of kit that made no attempt to hide the source of it's packets.
They're streets ahead of anyone the government can afford and making statements aimed at trying to scare them is going to get you nothing but grief.
Unless they get sloppy, there is no way whatsoever that they will ever be caught.
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Dirtbox wrote:So you started a thread on something you have no opinion on and don't want to discuss because it won't make a difference... and then call someone else's post stupid?
No, I think it's egotistical and irresponsible, but my opinion isn't going to make a jot of difference. Feel free to scream and cry about it if you like, but I'd rather be dignified about things I have no control over.
Dirtbox wrote:only deebs could make a thread like this work.
No, I think it's egotistical and irresponsible, but my opinion isn't going to make a jot of difference. Feel free to scream and cry about it if you like, but I'd rather be dignified about things I have no control over.
Gearskin wrote:Stupid post #2Dirtbox wrote:So you started a thread on something you have no opinion on and don't want to discuss because it won't make a difference... and then call someone else's post stupid?
No, I think it's egotistical and irresponsible, but my opinion isn't going to make a jot of difference. Feel free to scream and cry about it if you like, but I'd rather be dignified about things I have no control over.
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Dirtbox wrote:Not being funny but... I don't honestly know what's going on in your head. It's not possible to reason with unreasonable people. So... good job on starting a thread about something you don't want to talk about...Gearskin wrote:Stupid post #2Dirtbox wrote:So you started a thread on something you have no opinion on and don't want to discuss because it won't make a difference... and then call someone else's post stupid?
No, I think it's egotistical and irresponsible, but my opinion isn't going to make a jot of difference. Feel free to scream and cry about it if you like, but I'd rather be dignified about things I have no control over.
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Probably stupid post #3 for the dipshit named after a tax form as well, I'm not unignoring him to check.
phAge wrote:If they do eventually manage to shut down Sonys games division as a result of these continued attacks, do you really think they'd just call it a day then? They are utter cunts and will just go after Microsoft and new targets '4 de kudos'.
Fair enough. I just figured that if The Man *really* wanted to find these guys, he could. I'm not sure what to think of these guys: the 360 fanboy in me absolutely *hearts* the way they're sticking the knife in Sony, but at the same time there is the risk of them doing some serious damage to government work for no other reason than "because we can".
With great power, etc.
RedSparrows wrote:I know what you mean. There's an are of sanctimony about all this which feels disingenuous.
I'm all for people power, but it strikes me as 'self-appointed moral arbiter' power more than something remotely positive like the Arab Spring et al.
mal wrote:I completely agree, but at the present time they simply don't have the tools or the where with all to combat them. These groups are bringing things to a pretty terrifying head and we're the ones who are going to lose out. The US gov already ceases objectional websites as per the bidding of the media corps, and hacking has always been a matter of almost all governments national security, but it's not making much of a dent.Dirtbox wrote:What makes you say that? I've little to no idea about the state of the art in what they do, but when I first heard of that low orbit packet cannon software they were using, it was a spectacularly simple bit of kit that made no attempt to hide the source of it's packets.
They're streets ahead of anyone the government can afford and making statements aimed at trying to scare them is going to get you nothing but grief.
Unless they get sloppy, there is no way whatsoever that they will ever be caught.
Now there are ways to do that - faking headers, proxying or running it via a botnet. The former should be controllable at the point of insertion - the ISP level. Granted, there are a lot of those and fixing it'd be a big job, but a firmware update from Cisco ought to be able to block most faked packets. I'm assuming they don't already - having never tried it I can't say.
Taking the second option, proxying large amounts of traffic is a great way to get yourself kicked off a proxy.
A botnet, or a paid for version running on the cloud, always has a weakness - it's control channel. The biggest and most resilient botnets survive by being run from countries which don't care to work with the West to solve these problems, but the impression I get from these hackers from the targets they pick is that they're embedded in the consumer culture of the West, so almost certainly based in Europe or America. The Chinese hackers already seem to have some of the same skills as these groups, and ultimately they're likely to be the biggest threat to the big Western powers (commercial and political)
Anyway, tl;dr. I just reckon that by attacking government targets they're making it more justifiable for those governments to spend the money they need to to fight back. And I don't see any technical reason why they can't.
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Gearskin wrote:Since when is it wrong to start a thread for the sake of discussion?
Not being funny but... I don't honestly know what's going on in your head. It's not possible to reason with unreasonable people. So... good job on starting a thread about something you don't want to talk about...
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Gearskin wrote:i think its a thread ment for tears. if hackers hack governments they will get found, prosecuted and sent to jail. so this whole topic is moot imo.Dirtbox wrote:Not being funny but... I don't honestly know what's going on in your head. It's not possible to reason with unreasonable people. So... good job on starting a thread about something you don't want to talk about...Gearskin wrote:Stupid post #2Dirtbox wrote:So you started a thread on something you have no opinion on and don't want to discuss because it won't make a difference... and then call someone else's post stupid?
No, I think it's egotistical and irresponsible, but my opinion isn't going to make a jot of difference. Feel free to scream and cry about it if you like, but I'd rather be dignified about things I have no control over.
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Probably stupid post #3 for the dipshit named after a tax form as well, I'm not unignoring him to check.
Dirtbox wrote:What does this mean exactly? That because something CAN be done it SHOULD be done? Are you saying we should respect people who DO because they CAN regardless of whether it's justifiable or not? Because murderers, rapists, paedophiles, thieves, arsonists, terrorists... they all do what they want because they CAN.
While you might not like these people, what they do, the way they do it and so on, you have to respect the fact that unless the internet is switched off entirely, they will run free and do whatever the hell they like.
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