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  • PazJohnMitch 20 Feb 2013 19:35:26 11,023 posts
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    @Alastair

    Do not read this thread until you have finished the fifth book.

    Feel free to post in it but do not read the existing posts.
  • joeymoto108 20 Feb 2013 21:17:23 678 posts
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  • Alastair 20 Feb 2013 22:15:23 18,640 posts
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    @PazJohnMitch
    Cheers, that's pretty much what I thought. :)
  • Alastair 20 Feb 2013 22:15:34 18,640 posts
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    Double post...

    Edited by Alastair at 07:54:52 21-02-2013
  • Mola_Ram 21 Feb 2013 04:03:20 13,279 posts
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    It looks pretty bad, but I'm not 100% certain that Jon Snow is dead. He probably is, but not 100%.

    I've never really liked the zombie thing. One of the pleasures of this series is that it has main characters who do stupid things and pay for them with their lives. Resurrecting them sort of cheapens that effect.

    Edited by Mola_Ram at 04:05:26 21-02-2013
  • Tuffty 21 Feb 2013 09:22:58 2,916 posts
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    What is going on in Bran's story anyway? Interested to know what role he has in the greater story.
  • 4gate 21 Feb 2013 22:39:29 362 posts
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    I'm not convinced Jon is any more dead than Theon or Catelyn. Or the deadness of that bloke who just got flame grilled by a dragon having spent half the last book travelling to catch one.

    Regardless, all it needs is 2 utterly superb, tightly written books which immediately start to tie up existing threads, don't add any others, and build to a truly stupendous climax. I'm sure that's what's going to happen.
  • disusedgenius 21 Feb 2013 23:06:24 7,006 posts
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    I just want to find out what the fuck Rickon's been up to. :(
  • Deleted user 21 February 2013 23:26:30
    A Thread of Mystery and Spoiler Tags.
  • President_Weasel 21 Feb 2013 23:33:17 11,514 posts
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    Jon Snow's basically the Julius Caesar plot. He tried to change Rome and bring in Gaulish senators, and the establishment stabbed him. Jon Snow tried to change the watch and bring in Wildlings, and the establishment stabbed him for it. No need for magic to make them do it, just fear of change.
    I figure the red lady will just Beric Dondarion him back to life though, it doesn't seem to screw people up unless it happens a lot or unless you've been dead too long.
  • PazJohnMitch 22 Feb 2013 07:27:13 11,023 posts
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    disusedgenius wrote:
    I just want to find out what the fuck Rickon's been up to. :(
    I have been wondering that too.

    Might even get his own chapters.
  • Deleted user 22 February 2013 13:30:11
    When is the cunt releasing Winds of winter?
  • President_Weasel 22 Feb 2013 13:53:29 11,514 posts
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    The crying thing actually fits with the Caesar story: some of his assassins, such as Brutus, were supposedly weeping when they did it
  • Mola_Ram 22 Feb 2013 14:00:55 13,279 posts
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    I think he's writing pilots for new HBO series or something. It's not like he has anything else to do.
  • Humperfunk 22 Feb 2013 14:06:13 4,906 posts
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    GameOverYeah wrote:
    Lastly his friends weeping and apologising to Jon as they were stabbing him. Sure he had completely broken his oath. But to murder him in the way they did would have to be out of sheer outrage. So why are they weeping and apologetic during the murder and not after. [\spoiler]
    One theory is that the prophecy of"Azor Ahai will be reborn admidst smoke and salt", and that Stannis isn't Azor Ahai at all but that Jon will be reborn as him. His wounds smoke when he's stabbed, and Bowen Marsh is crying (i.e. the salt)

    Probably a load of old shit but I think it's quite likely that this is where it's going...
  • Deleted user 22 February 2013 14:07:16
    When do the Romulans attack?
  • Mola_Ram 22 Feb 2013 14:09:40 13,279 posts
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    Apparently he told the ending to the writers of the TV show, so there might be closure there if the books don't get finished for some reason.
  • nickthegun 22 Feb 2013 14:11:30 66,828 posts
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    Humperfunk wrote:
    GameOverYeah wrote:
    Lastly his friends weeping and apologising to Jon as they were stabbing him. Sure he had completely broken his oath. But to murder him in the way they did would have to be out of sheer outrage. So why are they weeping and apologetic during the murder and not after. [\spoiler]
    One theory is that the prophecy of"Azor Ahai will be reborn admidst smoke and salt", and that Stannis isn't Azor Ahai at all but that Jon will be reborn as him. His wounds smoke when he's stabbed, and Bowen Marsh is crying (i.e. the salt)

    Probably a load of old shit but I think it's quite likely that this is where it's going...
    Given the fact that there is absolutely no chance in hell the book would contain anything as straightforward as Stannis being who he is purported to be, I'd say thats quite likely.
  • disusedgenius 22 Feb 2013 14:30:28 7,006 posts
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    I've read another Jon theory which goes along the lines of: he isn't Neds bastard after all but is actually Neds sister's kid he promised to protect, making him part Targaryan and tieing him into the main arc. But, y' know, the Internet thinks a lot of things. ..
  • Humperfunk 22 Feb 2013 14:32:29 4,906 posts
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    @nickthegun I agree Nicholas, I agree.
  • nickthegun 22 Feb 2013 14:38:15 66,828 posts
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    The problem with Jon is a Targaryan is the well established hair genetics of westeros.
  • Tricky 22 Feb 2013 14:40:47 4,617 posts
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    Yeah I touted the same theory that Humperfunk's mentioning back on page 5 of this thread. I can't remember all the clues but there were a couple of things that made me think that whilst reading the last book.
  • Deleted user 22 February 2013 14:41:07
    If anyone is interesed; GRRM has released a couple of preview chapters from the next book for Arianne (which was just put up recently).

    The Theon chapter might clear up a point that was made on this page. I haven't read the Arianne one yet so no idea if it's any good.
  • disusedgenius 22 Feb 2013 14:43:11 7,006 posts
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    Not that I'm sold on the theory, but the hair thing could be down to him not being a pure-bred and the Ned lying thing has been framed as a 'lesser of two evils' type of affair. I agree though, seems a bit too wish-listy to me.
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