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  • Darknight 7 May 2014 17:12:48 297 posts
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    @Deckard1 There aught to be!
  • twelveways 7 May 2014 17:23:13 3,978 posts
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    The third usurper she cursed was Baelon Greyjoy, Theon's dad. I'm not sure why though as he wasn't making a move as far as I know.
  • Latin 7 May 2014 17:32:20 3,618 posts
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    Gendry was told to go back to Kings Landing as that's the last place they'd look for him and the easiest place to blend in with the crowd.

    Not sure he'll ever make a comeback... Does anyone who cares actually still know he's alive and a threat given, that the Joff is dead and no-one else is disputing the legitimacy of Cersei's children.
  • DUFFKING 7 May 2014 17:38:46 7,229 posts
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    @twelveways He declared himself king of the iron Islands, thus making him a usurper as it were.
  • Deleted user 7 May 2014 17:40:20
    Bastards aren't eligible for the throne anyway, right? I thought that was just a case of Joffrey or Cersei trying to quell the rumors in the most inhumane way.
  • twelveways 7 May 2014 17:41:27 3,978 posts
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    Fair enough. I guess he will be the next big death then...

    If she was that clever, she would have named Tywin.
  • Latin 7 May 2014 17:42:10 3,618 posts
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    Airwreck wrote:
    Bastards aren't eligible for the throne anyway, right? I thought that was just a case of Joffrey or Cersei trying to quell the rumors in the most inhumane way.
    It was definitely Joffrey, Cersei says so to Tyrion and she seems pretty disgusted by it all.
  • Baihu1983 7 May 2014 17:45:37 3,416 posts
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    Deckard1 wrote:
    There's a fucking onion king?!
    That's Davos who's Stannis hand but they call him The Onion Knight.

    He was mockingly called it when he smuggled Onions in to Dragon Stone to feed Stannis army before the shows timeline.

    Stannis did some finger tip cutting on him.

    Edited by Baihu1983 at 17:53:18 07-05-2014
  • ubergine 7 May 2014 18:14:34 2,341 posts
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    twelveways wrote:
    The third usurper she cursed was Baelon Greyjoy, Theon's dad. I'm not sure why though as he wasn't making a move as far as I know.
    Greyjoy is one of the five kings in "The War of Five Kings" - others being Joffrey, Stannis, Renly and Robb Stark.

    Melisandre cursed all 3 remaining claimants after killing Renly.

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  • Daddy-Doom-Bar 7 May 2014 18:35:07 2,433 posts
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    ubergine wrote:
    twelveways wrote:
    The third usurper she cursed was Baelon Greyjoy, Theon's dad. I'm not sure why though as he wasn't making a move as far as I know.
    Greyjoy is one of the five kings in "The War of Five Kings" - others being Joffrey, Stannis, Renly and Robb Stark.

    Melisandre cursed all 3 remaining claimants after killing Renly.
    Balon Greyjoy and his men have taken over everything north of Moat Calin. Stannis knows he's a threat to his kingdom, as he has half of it already.

    You must be the change you wish to see in the world - Ghandi

  • Baihu1983 7 May 2014 19:00:04 3,416 posts
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    Yeah he ordered the Ironborn to take the North while Robb was heading south.
  • twelveways 7 May 2014 19:06:05 3,978 posts
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    I never got why she had to curse Robb. Ned thought that Stannis should be the rightful heir anyway and Robb only seemed interested in being the king of the north.

    If I was Stannis I would have chosen Danyreis Targaryen, Tywin Lannister and Joffrey, reckon I'd be on the iron throne by now.
    I would be the sole heir, the Lannister empire would be in pieces and there would be no threat of dragons. The Starks would be able to hold the north and we could all focus on the snowmen people and wildlings.

    Edited by twelveways at 19:08:55 07-05-2014
  • PazJohnMitch 7 May 2014 19:08:25 8,028 posts
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    Stannis wants to be king of the 7 kingdoms. Not the 6 kingdoms that Robb Stark is not king of. All or nothing.
  • twelveways 7 May 2014 19:10:24 3,978 posts
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    He could have done all that first and then sorted the Starks out.
  • Feanor 7 May 2014 19:10:24 14,154 posts
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    Stannis is kind of a weenie.
  • PazJohnMitch 7 May 2014 19:20:36 8,028 posts
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    But if he let the North rebel what about the other 3 kingdoms that are not in open rebellion?

    Tywin sent Baelish to Lysa Arryn in the Vale as although she was loyal to King's landing he was not convinced she would not rebel. The Margery / Joffrey wedding was to keep the Tyrells on board. The wedding was Tywin's idea to keep them sweet.

    Stannis would have the same fears as Tywin.
  • Daddy-Doom-Bar 7 May 2014 19:26:20 2,433 posts
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    Stannis isn't the strategic thinker Tywin is. Stannis thinks as he has the gods given right to all 7 Kingdoms, everyone else should think the same and let him have it. Anyone that thinks otherwise for whatever reason, should be dealt with immediately. He is a very black and white person, whereas Tywin is a more subtle, smoke and mirrors puppeteer kind of guy.

    You must be the change you wish to see in the world - Ghandi

  • PazJohnMitch 7 May 2014 19:34:18 8,028 posts
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    True but their end games are the same. It is only their methods that are different. (In fact I think all the leaders have slightly different approaches).

    Tywin: Will offer a business deal.
    Stannis: Believes he is the ruler and will not accept any weaknesses or deviations from his plan. Expects loyalty from all. (No exceptions)
    Robb Stark: Genius of battle tactics
    Renly: charismatic leader who people would happily follow.
    Robert Baratheon: single greatest warrior
    Daerneys: Dragons

    Edited by PazJohnMitch at 19:37:28 07-05-2014
  • Baihu1983 7 May 2014 19:35:05 3,416 posts
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    Stannis also didn't believe Robb only wanted the north.

    It was Robbs Bannerman that convinced him to be "The King of The North" at the end of season one but just before that he was saying Stannis was the rightful king.

    By season two the North wanted its independence and Renly was willing to allow it but was killed right after he agreed to join forces with Robb.
    Also up until recently no one believed the stories about the Dragons and she had no army.

    Edited by Baihu1983 at 19:35:47 07-05-2014
  • Daddy-Doom-Bar 7 May 2014 19:40:57 2,433 posts
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    @PazJohnMitch Good point. Although I really do think Stannis doesn't actually want to be king. He is merely doing his duty. And I think that sentence is the best way to sum him up.
    Tywin wants his family to control the 7 kingdoms and knows full well a king can't do that.

    You must be the change you wish to see in the world - Ghandi

  • PazJohnMitch 7 May 2014 19:48:43 8,028 posts
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    Tywin is also the only one with experience of ruling as he was Aegon Targeryon's Hand previously. This may explain why he is so good at it.

    I think all the 7 kingdoms all had individual rulers up until one of Dany's ancestors conquered all of them with the help of a very large dragon. Although that was probably a few centuries ago.
  • Deleted user 7 May 2014 19:50:42
    Stannis is a stickler for the rules first and foremost, I don't think a sense of duty is the best way to describe his weirdness.
  • PazJohnMitch 7 May 2014 19:58:01 8,028 posts
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    Stannis believes he should be king as he is Robert's true heir. (Joffrey, Mycella and Tommen are not Roberts and all the others are bastards). It is more that he expects the true order of ascension to be followed and simply dismisses everyone else as usurpers. In his mind there is a very clear order to things and that order says he is next in line. (Dany started out with pretty much exactly the same argument as she considered Robert to be an usurper).
  • Baihu1983 7 May 2014 20:09:38 3,416 posts
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    Edited by Baihu1983 at 20:10:25 07-05-2014
  • Razz 7 May 2014 23:43:52 61,113 posts
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  • Psychotext 8 May 2014 00:18:46 54,017 posts
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    Creepy.
  • PazJohnMitch 8 May 2014 08:47:16 8,028 posts
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    Even in the undoctored version of that photo Jon Sneeww is tiny compared to the other 2.
  • Salaman 8 May 2014 09:41:54 18,964 posts
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    Just a random thought. Besides the BIG REVELATION that Lysa killed Jon Arryn, prompted by creepyfingers, there was another pretty big revelation that seems to have gone undiscussed.

    Tywin telling Cersei that the Lannister mines haven't produces an ounce of gold in 3 years.
    The Lannisters are fabled to be shitting gold. Their power and wealth and influence comes from their money and gold. With the flow of gold stopping, they're pretty fucked. Quite an important revelation.

    Tywin's kept it on the quiet and Littlefinger as master of coin has massively indebted the throne to the iron bank. With a Lannister on the throne, Tywin still has leverage with the Tyrells, who think they're creating an alliance with an equally strong party. If they knew the Lannister gold mines are empty though, I bet they'd be re-evaluating that deal.

    Edited by Salaman at 09:42:09 08-05-2014
  • DiddlerDo 8 May 2014 09:52:35 1,528 posts
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    Good call - that was another holy shit moment that I mnaged to completely forget about after the LittleFinger revelation. I imagine that is all part of Littlefinger's plan as well. Leak it/shout it and while the Lannisters are crumbling with fuck all friends or power, step in. God that was such a good episode.
  • ubergine 8 May 2014 10:02:15 2,341 posts
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    Empty mines don't mean broke.

    There's also Varys' "power resides wherever people believe it resides" speech to recall.

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