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  • Salaman 13 Jun 2013 14:29:10 18,241 posts
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    twelveways wrote:
    So where did this guy get the eggs from?
    Bought them as a very expensive novelty item I guess. A bit like people used to buy mummies, or like having a big rock with a cool fossil in it.
    They're quite valuable and expensive but he definitely assumed he was handing over dragon eggs turned to stone, not dragons eggs ready to hatch. Just add a bit of fire and you're all set.
    If he'd had an inkling of a clue that it was possible he naturally would've stuck them in the fire himself.
  • graysonavich 13 Jun 2013 14:35:45 6,802 posts
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    I was under the impression the birth of the dragons was more to do the circumstances of the ritual / sacrifice rather than the fact that these were random eggs that happened to hatch.
  • Deckard1 13 Jun 2013 14:38:59 25,413 posts
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    Yeah I thought it was all magic shit that got them to hatch.

    Called it

  • Baihu1983 13 Jun 2013 14:41:43 2,837 posts
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    Not sure to be honest. They did the scene with her putting one in the fire and holding it without getting burned several episodes before so they could have hatched for a few reasons?
    Don't remember anyone telling her she should put the eggs next to Drogo when burning him?

    Even just looking it up wiki simply says The resulting magic restores life to the eggs in regards to the funeral pyre but its not actually clear.

    Would the witch being in it also have helped??


    If in doubt? Magic!

    Edited by Baihu1983 at 14:42:48 13-06-2013
  • President_Weasel 13 Jun 2013 14:43:16 8,604 posts
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    Salaman wrote:
    twelveways wrote:
    So where did this guy get the eggs from?
    Bought them as a very expensive novelty item I guess. A bit like people used to buy mummies, or like having a big rock with a cool fossil in it.
    They're quite valuable and expensive but he definitely assumed he was handing over dragon eggs turned to stone, not dragons eggs ready to hatch. Just add a bit of fire and you're all set.
    If he'd had an inkling of a clue that it was possible he naturally would've stuck them in the fire himself.
    Add a bit of fire, and a Targaryen with the blood of old valyria, and the sacrifice of a powerful witch who had just sacrificed Dany's unborn son to some sort of demon or something, plus the body of her husband who she'd just killed to put him out of his misery.
    Bit more complicated and fraught than just "stick them in the fire".
  • graysonavich 13 Jun 2013 14:44:05 6,802 posts
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    I assume it was all instinctive, the descent into her realising she was a dragonhuman, "hearing" the eggs, and not going genuinely mental.
  • Baihu1983 13 Jun 2013 14:44:51 2,837 posts
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    Could be she does say something like ''He was no true Dragon'' in regards to her brother.
  • Salaman 13 Jun 2013 14:45:17 18,241 posts
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    yeah I'm not sure how she got them to hatch really but she essentially stuck them in the fire.

    She first had the thought of sticking them in the fire and used a brazier in her tent. The she seemed to feel a bit silly when nothing happened.
    Whether they then hatched because she had a bigger fire, left them in longer, Drogo's body was being burnt in the same fire, the maegi was being burnt in the same fire or because she decided to go sit with them in the fire .... who knows.
  • Psychotext 13 Jun 2013 14:54:15 52,778 posts
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    Whole magical sacrifice thing innit.
  • Baihu1983 13 Jun 2013 14:58:07 2,837 posts
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    Could be. Doesn't Osha say the red star in S2 is for Dragons? So yeah its looking like magic but still doesn't say how Danny knew about it?
    From what I remember in S1 shes pretty clueless in regards to most things?
  • Waffleaber 13 Jun 2013 15:01:40 310 posts
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    I assumed it was a blood magic/human sacrifice deal. That fire god loves his blood and sacrifice stuff.
  • Deckard1 13 Jun 2013 15:02:56 25,413 posts
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    Yeah she's like a magic dragon bitch and stuff. So she went, "fuck this shit" and just magiced the dragons out of the eggs. At least that was my interpretation.

    Edited by Deckard1 at 15:03:52 13-06-2013

    Called it

  • Vortex808 13 Jun 2013 15:04:05 6,564 posts
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    Baihu1983 wrote:
    Could be she does say something like ''He was no true Dragon'' in regards to her brother.
    She did say something to that effect, but I assumed that was due to him not being able to withstand the heat of his 'crown'. The thump of him hitting the ground after was a great effect IMO.

    I assumed the heat-resistance thing was a pure targaryean(?) thing. I also assumed it was the heat of the funeral pyre that hatched the eggs, but who knows. I reckon they'd have added some weird special effects if they wanted to suggest the witch had an impact on it.

    Edited by Vortex808 at 15:05:07 13-06-2013
  • Psychotext 13 Jun 2013 15:04:14 52,778 posts
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    Would have been fairly entertaining if she'd just burned to death I guess.
  • WoodenSpoon 13 Jun 2013 15:04:32 12,251 posts
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    Yeah I don't think she intended the eggs to hatch.

    Obviously magic stuff is 'coming back' but it's pretty vague as to what is a symptom and what is a cause.

    Edited by WoodenSpoon at 15:05:52 13-06-2013
  • graysonavich 13 Jun 2013 15:05:22 6,802 posts
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    I'd go hunting with the get along gang for more dragon eggs. Fuck this shit right up.
  • PazJohnMitch 13 Jun 2013 15:07:03 7,260 posts
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    Quite a bit of my theories on the dragons are based on the TV show. I refer to the scenes between Melisandre and Stannis.

    Obviously I have also read the books and may have picked up more from there. So I will not post my thoughts here.
  • Baihu1983 13 Jun 2013 15:08:17 2,837 posts
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    @Waffleaber R'hllor. Could be now that you mention it as that religion is from Essos which is where Danny is.

    Not sure if the Targaryen's followed that religion?
  • Alastair 13 Jun 2013 15:23:26 14,953 posts
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    Baihu1983 wrote:
    Could be she does say something like ''He was no true Dragon'' in regards to her brother.
    I'm sure there's at least one moment where Viserys either burns himself or comments about something being too hot - indicating he isn't a true dragon.

    There is so much detail in this series it's so easy to miss stuff that you only pick up on the second or third viewing.
    I know we're not meant to mention the B word, but you do get more out of a scene when you read it.

    Not as nice as I used to be

  • PazJohnMitch 13 Jun 2013 15:25:06 7,260 posts
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    Targaryen's were obsessed by fire. So probably.

    I think King's Landing has places of worship for all religions. So it is a little hard to pin point which they followed unless someone explicitly spoke about it.
  • Baihu1983 13 Jun 2013 15:26:41 2,837 posts
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    Its when the whore drops candle wax on him when they are in the tub talking about the Dragons of the past.

    Been a while since I read the first B so I can't remember on the details which is why Waffs post got me thinking he might be on to something?
  • PazJohnMitch 13 Jun 2013 15:27:46 7,260 posts
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    Also think the no true dragon comment was about Visery's been killed by fire. Suggesting it would not have hurt him if he was a true dragon and setting up the funeral pyre thing.
  • Baihu1983 13 Jun 2013 15:28:55 2,837 posts
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    That death is still one of the best.
  • Salaman 14 Jun 2013 09:20:07 18,241 posts
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    PazJohnMitch wrote:
    I think King's Landing has places of worship for all religions. So it is a little hard to pin point which they followed unless someone explicitly spoke about it.
    I'd have thought the Targaryens with their fire breating dragon's might be into the fire god reall.

    My overall impression was that in Westeros, the seven is the official religion. In the north they're still into the old gods, besides the seven. The ironborn have their drowned god. Then there's some foreign religions, like the fire god.
  • Alastair 14 Jun 2013 09:23:15 14,953 posts
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    It's interesting, given our current real-world issues, that there doesn't seem to be any conflict between religions. No fundamentalists calling for a crusade against the non-believers.
    I guess GRRM felt it was safer to keep away from all that shit.

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  • Shikasama 14 Jun 2013 09:26:14 6,276 posts
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    Alastair wrote:
    It's interesting, given our current real-world issues, that there doesn't seem to be any conflict between religions. No fundamentalists calling for a crusade against the non-believers.
    I guess GRRM felt it was safer to keep away from all that shit.
    That's not true at all, the Lord of Light is pretty damn militant
  • nickthegun 14 Jun 2013 09:36:34 55,849 posts
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    Ive just had a 'nam flashback to that girls clout from a few pages back. I do not appreciate that, anfony.

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    He totally called it

  • Deckard1 14 Jun 2013 09:37:29 25,413 posts
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    Anfony is no longer with us.

    Called it

  • Alastair 14 Jun 2013 09:39:02 14,953 posts
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    Shikasama wrote:

    That's not true at all, the Lord of Light is pretty damn militant
    That's true I guess - Melisandre forces Stannis to reject the Seven and convert.
    But otherwise it all seems fairly liberal.

    Not as nice as I used to be

  • Salaman 14 Jun 2013 09:43:26 18,241 posts
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    The lord of light isn't militant about converting non believers or burning heretics or anything like that.

    Just that part of practising your religion seems to involve sacrificing people by burning them to win favour with your god.
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