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  • DigitalDelay 6 Sep 2013 23:56:36 220 posts
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    So we fight the Islamists too Khanivor? :confused:

    Edited by DigitalDelay at 23:59:19 06-09-2013
  • DigitalDelay 8 Sep 2013 16:34:35 220 posts
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    :rolleyes: Did I temporarily kill the thread?

    Anyway, what is John Kerry doing here in the UK? We said NO, we mean NO!
  • FWB 8 Sep 2013 16:36:40 44,583 posts
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    Cameron's response to Putin's digs was incredibly embarrassing. Should have kept his mouth shut. We don't care what the Russkies think of us.
  • Khanivor 8 Sep 2013 16:40:55 40,772 posts
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    He should have returned the compliment in the style it was given. Something along the lines of good for nothing but drunks and genocide.
  • FWB 8 Sep 2013 17:16:59 44,583 posts
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    :)

    Even if he felt to need to spout shit about our achievements, he really had to pick out One Direction? That's what he's got? Was straight out of Love Actually.
  • senso-ji 8 Sep 2013 20:30:04 5,914 posts
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    It was very unprofessional from Cameron. He got baited, and with the ghost of the lost parliamentary vote still looming over him, he became overtly defensive and embarrassed himself.
  • RedSparrows 8 Sep 2013 21:14:52 22,736 posts
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    Yeah, the Cameron 'defense' was dire.
  • Red-Moose 8 Sep 2013 22:07:09 5,346 posts
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    FWB wrote:
    Cameron's response to Putin's digs was incredibly embarrassing. Should have kept his mouth shut. We don't care what the Russkies think of us.
    In 2008 he said he would hang the president of Georgia by his balls

    I think Putin must be having a right laugh at Cameron. It was a superb bit of trolling indeed. If it actually happened at all and wasn't just a puff-piece for Cameron, because I can find no links of it in Russian (using Google translate though).
  • RedSparrows 8 Sep 2013 22:43:31 22,736 posts
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    http://vz.ru/news/2013/9/7/649151.html

    This covers it, I think.
  • Pynchon 9 Sep 2013 00:35:51 114 posts
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    Read somewhere Putin was threatening military action if the US establishment does the usual nonsense of bombing stuff to try and solve things that are basically unsolvable by bombing.

    I find that ever so slightly scary. Much chance of another prolonged proxy war like Korea or Vietnam were?
  • Bremenacht 9 Sep 2013 11:21:47 18,275 posts
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    We're all singing from the same hymn-sheet of big business and profit these days, so no. Russia supplies arms to Assad, America supplies arms to rebels, debts are established, everyone is happy.

    Russia will just supply more advanced weaponry and more intelligence material, if it isn't doing so already.
  • Pynchon 10 Sep 2013 00:23:28 114 posts
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    Put the arms and oil deals away, Kerry fucked up and solved it ;)

    http://www.slate.com/blogs/the_slatest/2013/09/09/syria_chemical_weapons_did_john_kerry_just_accidentally_find_a_workable.html

    Photo is future meme?

    Ever get the feeling the world is run by people you wouldn't trust with a corner shop?
  • Pynchon 10 Sep 2013 00:38:42 114 posts
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  • Khanivor 10 Sep 2013 02:07:00 40,772 posts
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    Either this is a great opportunity to sort matters without exploding things or the world is going to be treated yet again to the tedium of UN inspectors deciding the fate of nations.
  • RightBean 10 Sep 2013 02:14:16 648 posts
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    We want to see the bombs and boats show, come on obama.
  • Articulate-Troll 10 Sep 2013 05:38:01 3,101 posts
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    Obama? More like Obomba amirite?

    Edited by Articulate-Troll at 05:38:20 10-09-2013
  • DigitalDelay 10 Sep 2013 12:28:26 220 posts
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    John Kerry scares me. Yesterday (via his big face) he said something about during his time as a lawmaker, he's condemmed people to life sentences in prison with less evidence than he has on Assad using chem weapons. Scary eh?

    Good to a see a new move towards a more peaceful solution. Although the logistics in getting rid of those stockpiles will surely be enormous.
  • whatfruit 10 Sep 2013 12:32:37 1,519 posts
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    @FWB What made me laugh in his rant was when he said that Britain conrtibuted more to defeating the Nazi's during WWII than Russia.

    Did Mr Cameron not learn anything about the Eastern Front while studying at Oxford.

    The whole epidoe made him come across as some private school prefect twat with a superioirty complex.
  • oceanmotion 10 Sep 2013 12:46:23 15,951 posts
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    I guess Kerry will get pushed to the sidelines in the future. We make lots of arms, we want more war!

    How come nobody says to America, get rid of your stockpiles you've promised to do since the 90s but keep trying to get out of it. Lead by example or something.
  • DigitalDelay 10 Sep 2013 13:02:54 220 posts
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    Indeed oceanmotion, out of curiousity I had a read up on who should be giving up their chem weapon stocks.
    isarmament-times-summer-2011&Itemid=2" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">Interesting article
    At one time the United States and Russia possessed 90 percent of the world’s known chemical weapons. Moscow has said it needs until at least 2015 to completely destroy its stockpile, while Washington does not anticipate completing the task before 2021.
  • Psychotext 10 Sep 2013 13:06:00 54,209 posts
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    In fairness, the US has destroyed something like 90% of their chemical weapons already: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chemical_Weapons_Convention#Progress_of_destruction
  • DigitalDelay 10 Sep 2013 13:19:23 220 posts
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    Yeah cheers, I realise my link is a bit old, was just interesting that Egypt for example don't seem to be in a rush to get rid of them either. Another fragile place.

    The US certainly made progress in the last couple of years getting rid of theirs then. Drones are far more effective for them though.

    Edited by DigitalDelay at 13:20:34 10-09-2013
  • Khanivor 10 Sep 2013 13:22:04 40,772 posts
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    You'd think Russia would have been able to dispose of theirs over a weekend by just tipping it down an old mine shaft.

    Edited by Khanivor at 13:22:50 10-09-2013
  • DigitalDelay 10 Sep 2013 13:27:50 220 posts
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    It's just been re-branded as "Vodka".
  • Segnit 10 Sep 2013 14:56:33 206 posts
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    I'm strongly for intervention for multiple reasons highlighted in my two recent articles which can be found here. I'm sure my frustration with the world is perceptible in the tone of the article, at least a little bit. The blog posts are simply for my record and for my immediate friends or family. But what the heck.

    Bottom line is, the world has big problems that needs solving. Someone has to do the solving.
  • Psiloc 10 Sep 2013 15:54:03 1,465 posts
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    @Segnit
    Russia - the last bastion of human rights, democracy and free speech...
    Either the sarcasm is far too muted here or you're a dope for saying this and meaning it.

    Also why the use of the word "pacifist" like it's an insult? And mutually exclusive to "genuinely concerned citizen" no less, like you have to be a selfish entitled pussy to not want fresh blood on your hands every other week. What's wrong in not believing in violence?

    That's the way I read it anyway. I also found the rhetorical questions of the 'other side' to be too straw-manny. Anyone who says:

    America think they are the world police... Police are corrupt. Police are bad.
    ...is a moron and that's exactly what you're trying to imply.

    Edited by Psiloc at 15:54:59 10-09-2013
  • oceanmotion 10 Sep 2013 17:17:54 15,951 posts
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    Psychotext wrote:
    In fairness, the US has destroyed something like 90% of their chemical weapons already: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chemical_Weapons_Convention#Progress_of_destruction
    http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2013/sep/09/obama-rogue-state-tramples-every-law

    Interesting read that doesn't put a great light on them and others regardless of the decrease.
  • Deleted user 10 September 2013 17:40:03
    I'm strongly for intervention for multiple reasons


    For further details:

    It's not that America shouldn't get involved in Syria. It's that we are on the wrong side.
  • Segnit 10 Sep 2013 18:15:20 206 posts
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    @Psiloc Why am I so hostile towards pseudo-pacifism? Because real pacifism is different to pacifism stemming out of ignorance. A true pacifist is Dalai Lama. A figure who would rather not slap a cheek even at gun point, or a person with only peace at heart; at home, at work, in school and under all conditions.

    In my article I assume that only a tiny fraction of true pacifists will ever read my words. And for those who do read it, clearly the target audience isn't them.

    @EndlessSolitude both pieces, though informative, are domestic American fodder much like when Ayatollah Khomeini says "Death to Israel" or some such.

    My consideration isn't for America but rather for the preservation of life and tackling the problem of radical Islam. Everything mentioned in your articles are secondary.

    Edited by Segnit at 18:15:50 10-09-2013
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