Revolution in the middle east

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  • dnbuk 28 Jan 2011 00:00:46 4,942 posts
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    We all saw the Tunisians drive their leader out of the country a couple of weeks ago, right? Well now the same is happening in Egypt, Lebanon & Yemen.

    http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2011/jan/27/egypt-protests-biggest-day-yet

    Latest news is that the Egyptian government have shut the Internet down.

    Who said the revolution wouldn't be televised?
  • The-Old-Bill 28 Jan 2011 00:27:09 5,101 posts
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    dnbuk wrote:Who said the revolution wouldn't be televised?
    Gill Scott-Heron.
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    His son played for Celtic.
  • mal 28 Jan 2011 00:47:53 22,334 posts
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    Haven't the liberal egyptians been revolting for years - I ought to know the details, but I forget. Something to do with imprisoned journalists and (probably not imprisoned) judges I think. Or I may be mixing it up with Turkey/Iran/Zimbabwe/Zaire/Saudi Arabia/The UK/England/My house/pretty much anywhere full stop. But no, I think I remember hearing talk of middle class revolution in Egypt a couple of years back.

    Sadly I know even less about the Lebanon and even less again about Yemen (like which ones your meant to precede by 'the' if any).

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  • mcmonkeyplc 28 Jan 2011 09:35:15 39,384 posts
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    Ironically the party in power in Egypt is called the National Democratic Party.

    Come and get it cumslingers!

  • MetalDog 28 Jan 2011 09:35:50 23,708 posts
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    We definitely live in interesting times.

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  • figgis 28 Jan 2011 09:38:16 7,383 posts
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  • figgis 28 Jan 2011 09:38:19 7,383 posts
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    I'm supposed to be flying out to Cairo on Monday on business.

    :(
  • mcmonkeyplc 28 Jan 2011 09:40:08 39,384 posts
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    Good luck.

    Come and get it cumslingers!

  • sport 28 Jan 2011 09:42:13 12,544 posts
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    Viva La Revolución!!
  • sport 28 Jan 2011 09:46:50 12,544 posts
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    dnbuk wrote:
    Latest news is that the Egyptian government have shut the Internet down.

    http://i.imgur.com/ZNtKw.jpg
  • Deleted user 28 January 2011 14:10:34
    Has Obama found the time this week to say anything about democracy in Egypt?
  • Tom_Servo 28 Jan 2011 14:11:22 17,310 posts
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    Vertical Stand wrote:
    Has Obama found the time this week to say anything about democracy in Egypt?

    Yes.
  • kalel 28 Jan 2011 14:14:45 86,329 posts
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    mcmonkeyplc wrote:
    Ironically the party in power in Egypt is called the National Democratic Party.


    Old trick. National Socialists etc.
  • X201 28 Jan 2011 14:16:08 15,130 posts
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    Tom_Servo wrote:
    Vertical Stand wrote:
    Has Obama found the time this week to say anything about democracy in Egypt?

    Yes.

    Although because it was one of their buddies they went for the less hardline option.


    Mark Mardell points out Obama's quandary...

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/markmardell/2011/01/egypt_unrest_poses_a_dilemma_f.html
  • Salaman 28 Jan 2011 14:17:21 18,861 posts
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    One thing I find very odd. People in other countries also setting themselves on fire.
    Do they really think that because that started the ball rolling in Tunesia, it will play out the same way in their country?

    Surely the Tunesian revolution is getting the ball rolling in their country, they don't need to go light themselves on fire as well.

    Seems like such on odd logic to follow.
  • Deleted user 28 January 2011 14:17:31
    dnbuk wrote:
    Latest news is that the Egyptian government have shut the Internet down.

    Who said the revolution wouldn't be televised?

    I only read one page on Sky News, but from that I took the information that they are using Mosques and other similar places to share information, pass it on etc.

    Also, I suspect that it won't make any differene because you need one person with a satellite phone and it becomes pointless. I also suspect numerous foreign journalists and other agencies have them so....
  • Deleted user 28 January 2011 14:28:28
    X201 wrote:
    Tom_Servo wrote:
    Vertical Stand wrote:
    Has Obama found the time this week to say anything about democracy in Egypt?

    Yes.

    Although because it was one of their buddies they went for the less hardline option.


    Mark Mardell points out Obama's quandary...

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/markmardell/2011/01/egypt_unrest_poses_a_dilemma_f.html

    The problem I find with this dilemma and the way some insiders argue in favor real politik is being used to excuse the inexcusable. Obama spoke out about openly in favour of the events in Tunisia...after the fact.

    Its just revealing how empty the rhetoric is from the US and other Western politicians, that the President made a key speech in Cairo but refuses to come out and outright back up his words in practice. It is a reminder of the complicity and double standards of Western foreign policy in oppressing peoples of North Africa and the Middle East.

    For lack of a better term would call it boogeyman politic - allowing dictators to claim first it was communists and now islamists are an existential threat. But increasingly mobiles and the internet is helping us see this is a sham, we can see more than ever young people just like us who want the same things we take for granted.
  • disusedgenius 28 Jan 2011 14:39:03 5,206 posts
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    Vertical Stand wrote:
    Its just revealing how empty the rhetoric is from the US and other Western politicians, that the President made a key speech in Cairo but refuses to come out and outright back up his words in practice. It is a reminder of the complicity and double standards of Western foreign policy in oppressing peoples of North Africa and the Middle East.
    That's just diplomacy though, it's the same everywhere about everyone.
  • Tom_Servo 28 Jan 2011 14:54:55 17,310 posts
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    It sounds like this has gone up a notch. Everyone is protesting now, regardless of class. The police have been overrun by protesters in Alexandria.

    I liked this from a BBC correspondent:

    But Egyptians appear to have learnt from the Tunisian uprising. Once they have broken the barrier of fear, there is no going back. The clock is ticking.
  • Tom_Servo 28 Jan 2011 15:15:55 17,310 posts
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    From The Guardian:

    3.12pm: Following up from the previous update, al-Jazeera just showed pictures of protesters jumping and cheering beside what appeared to be an army armoured vehicle in Cairo with the occupants in the vehicle not responding in any kind of negative fashion. It's too early to get carried away but al-Jazeera was suggesting this could be a sign that the army's allegiance is with the people.

    3.05pm: Egyptian protesters in Cairo are calling for the army to side with them against the police, Reuters reports:

    Egyptian protesters in Cairo chanted slogans calling for the army to support them, complaining of police violence during clashes on Friday in which security forces fired teargas and rubber bullets. "Where is the army? Come and see what the police is doing to us. We want the army. We want the army," the protesters in one area of central Cairo shouted, shortly before police fired teargas on them.
  • Tonka 28 Jan 2011 15:17:55 20,011 posts
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    This is kick ass.

    If you can read this you really need to fiddle with your forum settings.

  • mcmonkeyplc 28 Jan 2011 15:45:54 39,384 posts
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    Tom_Servo wrote:
    It sounds like this has gone up a notch. Everyone is protesting now, regardless of class. The police have been overrun by protesters in Alexandria.

    I liked this from a BBC correspondent:

    But Egyptians appear to have learnt from the Tunisian uprising. Once they have broken the barrier of fear, there is no going back. The clock is ticking.

    Holy fuck?! Really.

    Go my Egyptian brothers! Rise up!

    Come and get it cumslingers!

  • nickthegun 28 Jan 2011 15:50:42 58,782 posts
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    Fundamentalist state in 5...4...3...

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    He totally called it

  • Ginger 28 Jan 2011 15:53:41 6,826 posts
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    Police knocking on the doors of AlJazeera office in Cairo. Telling them to turn off their cameras...

    http://english.aljazeera.net/watch_now/

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  • Deleted user 28 January 2011 15:54:47
    Watched this during lunch. It was chaos on the streets. People were shouting stuff into the Sky News camera I couldn't understand. Finished lunch, flicked the channel over to Loose Women.
  • mcmonkeyplc 28 Jan 2011 15:56:15 39,384 posts
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    nickthegun wrote:
    Fundamentalist state in 5...4...3...

    The risk we take by giving them democracy. However, they'll learn eventually that they need the rest of the world and fighting with the rest of the world is not going to help.

    Unfortunately that might take a few wars. :(

    Come and get it cumslingers!

  • nickthegun 28 Jan 2011 15:58:26 58,782 posts
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    mcmonkeyplc wrote:
    nickthegun wrote:
    Fundamentalist state in 5...4...3...

    The risk we take by giving them democracy


    Im fairly sure its not ours to give

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    He totally called it

  • mcmonkeyplc 28 Jan 2011 15:59:43 39,384 posts
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    True, the idea then. :)

    Come and get it cumslingers!

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