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  • RichieTenenbaum 18 Apr 2011 11:42:38 1,621 posts
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    The economy definitely needs a jolt, but Cameron is risking giving it a fatal electric shock.

    The state definitely needs a diet, but Cameron is risking giving it bulimia, vomiting it's own economy up!

    The country definitely needs a wake up call, but Cameron is risking giving it a heart attack.
  • darkmorgado 18 Apr 2011 11:44:02 22,604 posts
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    What I meant was, as you are obviously having problems, is that while the state needs to be reduced, doing it too fast and going too far will lead to the country being worse off, not better, and then requiring more help to repair the damage.

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  • richarddavies 18 Apr 2011 11:44:35 2,567 posts
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    RichieTenenbaum wrote:
    The economy definitely needs a jolt, but Cameron is risking giving it a fatal electric shock.

    The state definitely needs a diet, but Cameron is risking giving it bulimia, vomiting it's own economy up!

    The country definitely needs a wake up call, but Cameron is risking giving it a heart attack.
    Are you MAD? If the country has a heart attack we might need a bypass. Maybe even a multiple one. And we all know what that means for the country if we have a multiple heart bypass.
  • darkmorgado 18 Apr 2011 11:45:08 22,604 posts
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    richarddavies wrote:
    RichieTenenbaum wrote:
    The economy definitely needs a jolt, but Cameron is risking giving it a fatal electric shock.

    The state definitely needs a diet, but Cameron is risking giving it bulimia, vomiting it's own economy up!

    The country definitely needs a wake up call, but Cameron is risking giving it a heart attack.
    Are you MAD? If the country has a heart attack we might need a bypass. Maybe even a multiple one. And we all know what that means for the country if we have a multiple heart bypass.
    More roundabouts?

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  • richarddavies 18 Apr 2011 11:47:32 2,567 posts
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    Exactly DM, exactly and i'll be damned if im gonna let that Cameron bastard let us all get more heart attack roundabouts.
  • Youthist 18 Apr 2011 11:48:48 8,819 posts
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    He will make them posh ones as well, we all know it
  • LockeTribal 18 Apr 2011 11:49:57 4,292 posts
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    RANDOM NONSENSICAL METAPHORS!
  • RichieTenenbaum 18 Apr 2011 11:52:16 1,621 posts
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    darkmorgado wrote:
    What I meant was, as you are obviously having problems, is that while the state needs to be reduced, doing it too fast and going too far will lead to the country being worse off, not better, and then requiring more help to repair the damage.
    I fundamentally disagree though.

    For instance my dad's entire department is being closed down. However, all the members of the department have guaranteed relocation written into their contracts, there will be almost no saving in labour. Not just that but his department does supplies (like printing and the like). He does a lot of this. Outsourcing this department will cost the place he works for loads of money each year. However, it will be on the individual users' accounts, so won't be reported in the same way.

    So by cutting his department, the government are using money to relocate all the people, and in actually closing the place and paying more for their supplied longer term. But it looks better on the balance sheet. Bullshit.
  • LionheartDJH 18 Apr 2011 11:55:19 18,603 posts
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    LockeTribal wrote:
    RANDOM NONSENSICAL METAPHORS!
    It's the best form of political debate! This is all I've been studying for three years to be honest, getting hard to come up with new ones to get the higher marks though!

    A wise man told me don't argue with fools
    Cause people from a distance can't tell who is who

  • LockeTribal 18 Apr 2011 12:01:36 4,292 posts
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    LionheartDJH wrote:
    LockeTribal wrote:
    RANDOM NONSENSICAL METAPHORS!
    It's the best form of political debate! This is all I've been studying for three years to be honest, getting hard to come up with new ones to get the higher marks though!
    The UK political system is like the freshly spilled entrails of a sacrificial goat: all the hot steamy goodness has spilled out, one party wants to try shoving them all back in to the goat so as to sacrifice it in future, another party wants to examine the entrails to see which way the future of the country lies and the other party is wondering what happened to the goat it just had and is quite thirsty and would like a glass of goat's milk.

    Guaranteed Honours degree there my friend.
  • LionheartDJH 18 Apr 2011 12:11:15 18,603 posts
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    LockeTribal wrote:
    LionheartDJH wrote:
    LockeTribal wrote:
    RANDOM NONSENSICAL METAPHORS!
    It's the best form of political debate! This is all I've been studying for three years to be honest, getting hard to come up with new ones to get the higher marks though!
    The UK political system is like the freshly spilled entrails of a sacrificial goat: all the hot steamy goodness has spilled out, one party wants to try shoving them all back in to the goat so as to sacrifice it in future, another party wants to examine the entrails to see which way the future of the country lies and the other party is wondering what happened to the goat it just had and is quite thirsty and would like a glass of goat's milk.

    Guaranteed Honours degree there my friend.
    That's awesome Locke, cheers! I'll owe that first class grade to you :)

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  • grey_matters 18 Apr 2011 12:15:44 3,075 posts
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    LockeTribal wrote:
    LionheartDJH wrote:
    LockeTribal wrote:
    RANDOM NONSENSICAL METAPHORS!
    It's the best form of political debate! This is all I've been studying for three years to be honest, getting hard to come up with new ones to get the higher marks though!
    The UK political system is like the freshly spilled entrails of a sacrificial goat: all the hot steamy goodness has spilled out, one party wants to try shoving them all back in to the goat so as to sacrifice it in future, another party wants to examine the entrails to see which way the future of the country lies and the other party is wondering what happened to the goat it just had and is quite thirsty and would like a glass of goat's milk.

    Guaranteed Honours degree there my friend.
    :D

    Presumably the Irish system can be similarly described except with a bunch of people haggling over certain parts of the dead goat, another bunch trying to steal parts whilst replacing parts of other animals but all the while nobody notices the quiet shady fuckers in the corner who have already sold the goat (as well as all future grazing rights) 16 times over with other peoples money.
  • LockeTribal 18 Apr 2011 12:39:09 4,292 posts
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    I like it g_m :D

    Unrelated but it reminds me of the "you have two cows" analogy about Enron:
    You have two cows.
    You sell three of them to your publicly listed company, using letters of credit opened by your brother-in-law at the bank, then execute a debt/ equity swap with an associated general offer so that you get all four cows back, with a tax exemption for five cows. The milk rights of the six cows are transferred via an intermediary to a Cayman Island company secretly owned by the majority shareholder who sells the rights to all seven cows back to your listed company. The annual report says the company owns eight cows, with an option on one more.
  • Carlo 18 Apr 2011 13:12:29 17,050 posts
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    So have we already covered the Finnish have been up to?

    http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/42633842/ns/world_news-europe/
  • MightyMouse 1 May 2011 14:16:42 999 posts
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    No mention of the story that was cunningly dumped on the same day as the royal wedding?

    http://goo.gl/4mz8l

    "Compounded over the five years for which Monitor has published projections, the efficiency target for hospitals is 37 per cent."

    And if they don't manage to make these "savings" then they won't be allowed to become trusts, ie they will no longer exist.
  • Aargh. 1 May 2011 14:44:24 11,186 posts
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    It would be nice if it was reported on a little more rationally though:
    "Monitor's assessment of 6% to 7% is its 'downside case', meaning it is more pessimistic. But it is right that Monitor's assessments are challenging - we want all hospitals to be able to meet Monitor's standards and show that they can provide sustainable, high quality and efficient services for their patients."
    So worst case forecasts - I can't find any headlines that imply anything other than 'MASSIVE CUTS' (obviously being cynical they will turn into actuals but still...
    "It's like the unit cost of a hip operation, around £6,000, has got to decrease by 37%. How?"
    No it isn't, Mr Appleby: chief economist at the health think tank the King's Fund.

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  • Tom_Servo 1 May 2011 15:14:42 13,224 posts
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    Woops!
  • Aargh. 1 May 2011 15:25:26 11,186 posts
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    What a strangely written report. One line about that going straight into people being killed.

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  • mal 1 May 2011 15:48:15 20,535 posts
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    Straight into? It's a summary report; one line about Syrian arms dealers and two about the situation in Syria. Are you telling me you don't see the connection?

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  • coolbritannia 1 May 2011 23:17:44 1,112 posts
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    Local BNP candidate leaflets my house today, so being a grumpy twat I message him on facebook telling him 'no thanks'. He's actually a good sport and replies to me, so I start asking him about what he thinks 'British values' are etc, then follow up asking him why anyone should vote BNP as opposed to Labour (ConDems be damned!) and he replies: 'The Labour party is full of paedophiles'.

    Hmm.
  • Aargh. 1 May 2011 23:40:00 11,186 posts
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    mal wrote:
    Straight into? It's a summary report; one line about Syrian arms dealers and two about the situation in Syria. Are you telling me you don't see the connection?
    I see a painfully obvious attempt by the writers to link the Conservatives with the death of civilians, there's no other reason for it to be written that way. It would be like writing about Guinness sales figures and Terrorism in Ireland, just because sometime terrorists get drunk.

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  • Aargh. 1 May 2011 23:40:57 11,186 posts
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    coolbritannia wrote:
    why anyone should vote BNP as opposed to Labour (ConDems be damned!) and he replies: 'The Labour party is full of paedophiles'.

    Hmm.
    :D

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  • mal 2 May 2011 02:34:32 20,535 posts
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    Aargh. wrote:

    I see a painfully obvious attempt by the writers to link the Conservatives with the death of civilians, there's no other reason for it to be written that way.
    Yes, that's what they're saying, because they're illustrating the point that the conservatives have received money from arms dealers who deal in a country where arms are currently being used to kill many including civilians. Granted, there's no proof that this dealer supplied weapons that have been used to kill any civvies, and also the money's coming from his family, not directly from the dealer, but other than that the connection seems incontrevertible.
    It would be like writing about Guinness sales figures and Terrorism in Ireland, just because sometime terrorists get drunk.
    It's hardly that tenuous, surely?

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  • coolbritannia 2 May 2011 02:48:31 1,112 posts
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    To be fair, (and I really hate the tories) we have no idea how big that arms dealers family is, this one instance could be tenuous. that said, just look at mark thomas's book "as used on the famous nelson mandela" to see how our govts love to sell to any fucker with a cheque book.
  • Aargh. 18 May 2011 22:19:26 11,186 posts
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    I see the politicians are being stupid again by deliberately misinterpreting what Ken Clarke said.

    I wish the children realised they should have better things to do.

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  • Chopsen 18 May 2011 22:22:43 13,728 posts
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    Rape is serious, but not all rape is equal

    So you're saying rape isn't serious?

    /repeats until loses faith in humanity.

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  • LionheartDJH 18 May 2011 22:25:00 18,603 posts
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    Alan Pardew gives his thoughts on the matter.

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  • Aargh. 18 May 2011 23:17:52 11,186 posts
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    His example of the 'less serious rape' was an 18 year old having consensual sex with a 15 year old. Obviously they're under the age of consent so it counts as rape but I doubt there are many people that think that's the same as someone being forced to have sex.

    Ed Miliband and the media are both pathetic.

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  • darkmorgado 18 May 2011 23:19:27 22,604 posts
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    Aargh. wrote:
    His example of the 'less serious rape' was an 18 year old having consensual sex with a 15 year old. Obviously they're under the age of consent so it counts as rape but I doubt there are many people that think that's the same as someone being forced to have sex.

    Ed Miliband and the media are both pathetic.
    Not quite. He also implied that some women enjoy it.

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