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  • spamdangled 3 Apr 2012 20:47:08 27,276 posts
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    Billy_Sastard wrote:
    Interesting.
    Very. Not really UK Politics though ;-)

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  • MysteryLamb 3 Apr 2012 21:21:46 525 posts
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    Regarding the web monitoring thing.

    I've read and heard a lot of people be quite dismissive, claiming that the government will never be able to get this through parliament, that labour tried and failed and that we should not worry too much.

    Precisely for that point though it has me worried. Now that the Tories have done a U-turn (and it looks like they may take some Lib Dem self harmers with them), how will the other main voting block, Labour, be able to campaign and vote against this. It would leave labour open to very damaging accusations of hypocrisy, band wagon jumping, and weakness. This was their idea!

    At best Labour will have to fine comb the legislation and pick up on weedy points of detail that leave them less exposed to that criticism - if they even want to stand against the legislation that is. This fine combing is all they could do to the terrible NHS bill for the same reason, much of the core ethos of that bill had been set up by Labour itself. Milliband's comments today were very telling, basically criticising the handling of it rather than the proposal (not that we know what the detail is yet of course).

    I was also struck today by the seeming polar opposite sound bites from the government. Nick Clegg said, and I'm paraphrasing, not to worry, it is all very fair and liberal, there will be a consultation and it is a very valid and important debate to have. The home Office said they will push this legislation through as quickly as they can.


    I think it is time we stopped debating the pros and cons of parties and party politics and realise that Neo-liberalism itself is the problem. Neo-liberalism and it's true base that is...
  • Dougs 3 Apr 2012 21:53:03 67,191 posts
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    Wednesday's i front page - "Government forced to rein in 'snooping' plan" #tomorrowspaperstoday twitpic.com/957tic
  • spamdangled 3 Apr 2012 22:06:12 27,276 posts
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    @MysteryLamb

    That's because Nick Clegg is trying to appease the wider party, which he is failing to do, while the Home Office is towing the Tory Party line. Confidence in Clegg is at an all-time low within the LD party. No-one in the party really trusts him anymore, and he already has a rebellion on his hands over this issue from MPs.

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  • MysteryLamb 3 Apr 2012 22:08:03 525 posts
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    darkmorgado wrote:
    @MysteryLamb

    That's because Nick Clegg is trying to appease the wider party, which he is failing to do, while the Home Office is towing the Tory Party line. Confidence in Clegg is at an all-time low within the LD party. No-one in the party really trusts him anymore, and he already has a rebellion on his hands over this issue from MPs.
    Aye.
  • spamdangled 3 Apr 2012 22:10:25 27,276 posts
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    I still firmly believe that after this parliament Clegg will join the Tories. His constituency is disappearing anyway and he's lost most of the goodwill from both the public and the party he managed to garner during the election campaign and in opposition. It wouldn't surprise me if he ends up being given a peerage.

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  • Dirtbox 4 Apr 2012 16:49:13 77,708 posts
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    EU Commission might have a word.

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  • RedSparrows 4 Apr 2012 16:52:02 22,302 posts
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    I would LOVE it, LOVE it, if the EU scuppered the web privacy thing.
  • LeoliansBro 4 Apr 2012 16:52:53 43,816 posts
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    Who gives a crap? Stop looking at illegal websites.

    LB, you really are a massive geek.

  • glaeken 4 Apr 2012 17:15:40 11,143 posts
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    First they came for the communists,
    and I didn't speak out because I wasn't a communist.

    Then they came for the trade unionists,
    and I didn't speak out because I wasn't a trade unionist.

    Then they came for the Jews,
    and I didn't speak out because I wasn't a Jew.

    Then they came for me
    and there was no one left to speak out for me.
  • Khanivor 4 Apr 2012 17:25:06 40,542 posts
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    Then there was an urgent need for the power of words but their overuse had deprived them of any impact.
  • glaeken 4 Apr 2012 17:27:22 11,143 posts
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    I am only playing part as I assumed LeoliansBro was. I just thought it might save time.

    The whole then they came for thing is kind of flawed anyway as I am fairly sure the Nazi's probably would have shot anyone who spoke up anyway. It's not like they were adverse to taking out people in their way. The whole thing falls down in the face of an unscrupulous totalitarian regime.

    Edited by glaeken at 17:30:49 04-04-2012
  • Dirtbox 4 Apr 2012 17:29:01 77,708 posts
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    LeoliansBro wrote:
    Who gives a crap? Stop looking at illegal websites.
    Eh?

    What's it got to do with illegal websites?

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  • TheSaint 4 Apr 2012 17:31:23 14,303 posts
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    LeoliansBro wrote:
    Who gives a crap? Stop looking at illegal websites.
    Or if you still want to just use a VPN.

    Storm in a teacup IMO.
  • Dirtbox 4 Apr 2012 17:32:35 77,708 posts
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    Not that it should be an issue, but it's my business alone what I fucking look at without the government looking over my shoulder.

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  • TheSaint 4 Apr 2012 17:33:45 14,303 posts
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    darkmorgado wrote:
    @MysteryLamb

    That's because Nick Clegg is trying to appease the wider party, which he is failing to do, while the Home Office is towing the Tory Party line. Confidence in Clegg is at an all-time low within the LD party. No-one in the party really trusts him anymore, and he already has a rebellion on his hands over this issue from MPs.
    I'm fairly sure you've been predicting his downfall for years. I guess you'll be right eventually.
  • glaeken 4 Apr 2012 17:35:01 11,143 posts
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    Indeed. I don't want any dam government knowing my tastes in porn.
  • Dougs 18 Apr 2012 12:09:49 67,191 posts
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    Fuck me, Ed Milliband is a total waste of space. No impact whatsoever.
  • 4gate 18 Apr 2012 13:57:56 362 posts
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    He's just a tactical stop gap. The real leader will be along in a year or two.

    In other news, an evil right wing ex home secretary apparently signed paperwork allowing people to be transported abroad for torture. The fascist bastard in question was Jack Straw. Another example of what happens when we go around believing politicians, illegal rendition on top of an illegal war.

    Brian Cox has a lot to answer for.
  • Dougs 18 Apr 2012 13:59:39 67,191 posts
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    I'm sure he'd much rather have had his head in his books than be at his keyboard.
  • 4gate 18 Apr 2012 14:00:50 362 posts
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    Fine, we can take his contribution to science in mitigation, still has war-crimes to face up to first.

    Edited by 4gate at 14:01:07 18-04-2012
  • Dougs 18 Apr 2012 14:07:17 67,191 posts
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    :D
  • Tom_Servo 30 Apr 2012 17:32:00 17,544 posts
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    Cameron tells Skinner to "take his pension" (better link)

    Cameron has launched a similar attack on Skinner before, calling him a "dinosaur". When the heat's on Cameron appears to quite often opt for the option of simply being nasty. In fact, he comes across as being a bit of a bully.

    Edited by Tom_Servo at 17:37:40 30-04-2012
  • craigy Staff 30 Apr 2012 17:46:23 7,600 posts
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    This just in: Cameron's a douche.
  • Bremenacht 30 Apr 2012 22:09:10 17,789 posts
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    I know Miliband's a nob but he seems to be getting the better of Cameron rather a lot these days. Next election is shaping up to be as indeterminate as the last one.
  • Deleted user 30 April 2012 22:17:21
    He went to Eton. That's all you need to know about Cameron (and Osborne). He's a cunt trained at great expense.
  • craigy Staff 30 Apr 2012 22:24:35 7,600 posts
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    Would love to see Tom Watson lose four stone and run for leader of the Labour party in time for the next general election. Geek vote guaranteed.
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