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  • Psychotext 13 Feb 2014 10:30:30 54,405 posts
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    Den I was like step off, braaap braaap

  • chopsen 13 Feb 2014 12:04:37 16,126 posts
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    It baffles me why Scotland would want "independence" yet keep the pound. Just see it as an implicit admission that they don't want true independence.
  • TheSaint 13 Feb 2014 12:08:39 14,623 posts
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    It seems to be that the SNP feel that people want political change but nothing that is going to impact their daily lives too drastically. Saying we won't form a currency union is really going to hurt their chances IMO.
  • Psychotext 13 Feb 2014 12:11:22 54,405 posts
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    I was under the impression that they don't actually need permission to use the pound, though they obviously wouldn't have control over interest rates etc.
  • chopsen 13 Feb 2014 12:16:24 16,126 posts
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    Yeah, it was orchestrated by the No campaign.

    It doesn't matter who "owns" the currency (which is a stupid concept in this context). Decision about it will be made by BoE and Westminster, and Scotland will have no influence or accountability from either. Also, they expect us to alter our economic policy to support their little experiment? Fuck that.

    If you're asking for independence, have the balls to do it properly or stfu.
  • chopsen 13 Feb 2014 12:19:59 16,126 posts
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    Psychotext wrote:
    I was under the impression that they don't actually need permission to use the pound, though they obviously wouldn't have control over interest rates etc.
    I guess people can accept anything as payment if they want. In the way that the US dollar is accepted as payment in some 3rd world countries. They don't have a proper recognised currency though, I don't think it'll do their EU membership any good. Even if they want to join and accept the Euro (which I seem to remember the SNP are against) they'd have to demonstrate economic viability before hand. They're not going to do that by running the economy on effectively monopoly money.
  • Deleted user 19 February 2014 11:28:17
    EU migrants must earn 149 a week to claim benefits.

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-26254735
  • DaM 19 Feb 2014 11:45:16 13,338 posts
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    The SNP were all for the Euro until about...2008?
    The main reason for them now wanting to keep the pound is that it might help persuade some people who don't want much to change. Plus all those many business whose biggest market is the rest of the UK.....
  • LeoliansBro 19 Feb 2014 11:50:48 44,512 posts
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    The SNP have a jolly history of comparing themselves to the luminaries of Europe, and then quietly distancing themselves when said luminaries go tits up. They wanted to be more like Ireland and Iceland back in 2007.

    LB, you really are a massive geek.

  • Deleted user 19 February 2014 11:51:43
    They could always look for business in other countries. UK maybe the biggest market, but it's definitely not the best model to follow.
  • tincanrocket 19 Feb 2014 11:52:31 3,022 posts
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    I wanted to be like Ireland and Iceland in 2007. Not so much in 2014 ;)

    /commences work on Hadrian's Wall rebuild project

    PS - *please* say we can send Tony Blair back once the split happens

    Edited by tincanrocket at 11:53:55 19-02-2014
  • LeoliansBro 19 Feb 2014 11:54:04 44,512 posts
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    IRT wrote:
    They could always look for business in other countries. UK maybe the biggest market, but it's definitely not the best model to follow.
    Don't forget they will be outside the EU and not have any trade agreements with other countries. The UK may give them a bit of a helping hand but it's hard to find another country dependent on Scottish industry.

    LB, you really are a massive geek.

  • Deleted user 19 February 2014 12:00:22
    Leaving the UK would be tough as it would always mean working deals out with other countries. They may not be part of the EU, but that wouldn't stop them from arranging deals etc with them.

    Edited by IRT at 12:02:38 19-02-2014
  • Deleted user 27 February 2014 10:15:24
    Immigration on the rise: http://t.co/o1oXk8iHue

    Edited by IRT at 10:15:45 27-02-2014
  • ResidentKnievel 27 Feb 2014 21:26:41 6,239 posts
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    IRT wrote:
    Immigration on the rise: http://t.co/o1oXk8iHue
    Woo! A sign of economic growth!

    [code]Armoured_Bear wrote:
    Unlike yourself, I don't have a weird obsession with any platform.[/code]

  • Deleted user 27 February 2014 22:46:16
    That one must of flew high, as you clearly missed it!
  • Tom_Servo 3 Mar 2014 20:46:38 18,009 posts
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    Panorama program about food banks on right now. Jaw-dropping interview with Edwina Currie.

    Food banks are a trap, people just have to learn how to budget and there's not really much food poverty in the UK (based on fuck all, of course). Absolutely gob-smacked.
  • Psychotext 3 Mar 2014 21:27:39 54,405 posts
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    I wouldn't let it surprise or shock you. She's always been a cunt.
  • Dougs 3 Mar 2014 21:36:52 68,474 posts
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    This first came up in one of those Benefits St/Immigration panels. Check out the Fleet Street Fox summary, she was absolutely staggered.
  • X201 3 Mar 2014 22:13:12 15,587 posts
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    UKIP leaflet arrived today, with the usual bad grammar and awkward sentence structure.

    He's committed to our local area, he says so a number of times.
    His leaflet was printed 200 miles away in Newcastle.
  • X201 5 Mar 2014 10:45:38 15,587 posts
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    BBC to host Nick Clegg and Nigel Farage TV debate

    Nick Clegg and Nigel Farage are to go head-to-head on BBC television in a debate on Britain's future in Europe.

    The hour-long debate will be shown on BBC2 from 7pm on Wednesday, 2 April, and will be hosted by David Dimbleby.



    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-26443312


    For once, I hope Cleggy has a stormer and wipes the floor with Farage.
  • mcmonkeyplc 5 Mar 2014 11:07:18 39,467 posts
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    See EU thread.

    Come and get it cumslingers!

  • LeoliansBro 5 Mar 2014 11:11:49 44,512 posts
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    It's a bad idea, that debate. Farage may be a man who doesn't know what he is talking about, but so are his supporters and all he needs to do is turn up all Daily Mail and they'll love him for it. Whereas Clegg could come off looking even weaker than he is already.

    Plus it legitimises Farage and gives him a platform.

    LB, you really are a massive geek.

  • X201 5 Mar 2014 11:12:38 15,587 posts
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    mcmonkeyplc wrote:
    See EU thread.
    Even in Eurogamer there is division over Europe.
  • mcmonkeyplc 5 Mar 2014 11:15:57 39,467 posts
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    LeoliansBro wrote:
    It's a bad idea, that debate. Farage may be a man who doesn't know what he is talking about, but so are his supporters and all he needs to do is turn up all Daily Mail and they'll love him for it. Whereas Clegg could come off looking even weaker than he is already.

    Plus it legitimises Farage and gives him a platform.
    So we should just let Farage peddle his bullshit?

    The press have already legitimised Farage, he's scared the living shit out of the Conservatives.

    It's time to fight him as a legitimate threat.

    Why would Clegg come off looking weaker? If there's one thing he believes in and knows about it should be the EU.

    Come and get it cumslingers!

  • Sharzam 5 Mar 2014 11:16:46 3,033 posts
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    LeoliansBro wrote:


    Plus it legitimises Farage and gives him a platform.
    I take issue with this line, regardless of your views of his party, the very point of our system is that every one can stand. You are a legimate standing candidate if you have a view which some people support. The very fact that UKIP have built a whole party means they are legimate, and should be given a platform. Not to say that means squat if most dislike the views.

    Known as 'Sharzam' in 98.5% of games

  • LeoliansBro 5 Mar 2014 11:16:59 44,512 posts
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    We should let him peddle his bullshit but not dignify it with an answer.

    Edited by LeoliansBro at 11:17:38 05-03-2014

    LB, you really are a massive geek.

  • Tom_Servo 5 Mar 2014 11:19:51 18,009 posts
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    I doubt a debate between him and Clegg is the turning point for legitimising Farage. He's never off the BBC, it feels like he's on Question Time every other week.
  • mcmonkeyplc 5 Mar 2014 11:23:29 39,467 posts
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    LeoliansBro wrote:
    We should let him peddle his bullshit but not dignify it with an answer.
    Then people will/have start(ed) to believe he's telling the truth.

    Come and get it cumslingers!

  • kalel 5 Mar 2014 11:27:45 88,457 posts
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    LeoliansBro wrote:
    We should let him peddle his bullshit but not dignify it with an answer.
    It's always better to give people a platform than not. It's challenging the bullshit that exposes it to be exactly that. Without these kind of debates it's much easier to position your bullshit to be believable and credible.
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