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  • Grax 5 Nov 2013 15:35:13 3,530 posts
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    @LeoliansBro i dont think you are going to win this argument. People are just don't understand, i had it with someone over the weekend (who had married an Italian) and she was quoting Enoch Powell. How can you begin to get through to people so ignorant
  • spamdangled 5 Nov 2013 15:46:58 27,899 posts
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    Dougs wrote:
    I daren't look at HYS or the Mail reporting of it.
    Pretty much as you'd expect them to
  • Deleted user 5 November 2013 18:11:35
    Dougs wrote:
    I daren't look at HYS or the Mail reporting of it.
    HYS is full of comments saying

    'Nobody had any problem with economic contribution! It's the cultural problem that worries us!'

    Which is bollocks, seeing as 'foreign scroungers' has been one of the hallmarks of cunts for years.
  • Bremenacht 5 Nov 2013 22:09:29 21,426 posts
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    Do the positive figures include Russian oligarchs and the like settling in the UK? I suppose I could just read the report...

    but I don't want to.
  • localnotail 5 Nov 2013 22:37:33 23,084 posts
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    Not much coverage of the Million Mask marches in mainstream media.
  • Moot_Point 7 Nov 2013 12:47:47 4,778 posts
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    “You see, we are totally corrupt,”
  • spamdangled 8 Nov 2013 11:25:25 27,899 posts
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    So Labour are employing that age-old parliamentary tradition: the Fillibuster (or "talking it out") when it comes to the EU Referendum bill.

    Be interesting to see if they succeed.
  • TheSaint 8 Nov 2013 11:28:37 15,560 posts
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    Appears to be a popular debate:

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-24859102
  • Mr_Sleep 8 Nov 2013 11:30:13 18,050 posts
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    TheSaint wrote:
    Appears to be a popular debate:

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-24859102
    That is pretty much every debate that isn't PMQs.
  • spamdangled 8 Nov 2013 11:30:33 27,899 posts
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    :D

    That's actually well-attended compared to most. Apparently the Tories under orders not to interfere.
  • LionheartDJH 8 Nov 2013 15:08:29 19,632 posts
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    darkmorgado wrote:
    So Labour are employing that age-old parliamentary tradition: the Fillibuster (or "talking it out") when it comes to the EU Referendum bill.

    Be interesting to see if they succeed.
    Hopefully they've got a copy of the Yellow Pages handy...
  • mcmonkeyplc 8 Nov 2013 16:05:01 39,833 posts
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    darkmorgado wrote:
    So Labour are employing that age-old parliamentary tradition: the Fillibuster (or "talking it out") when it comes to the EU Referendum bill.

    Be interesting to see if they succeed.
    Care to elaborate? I didn't think a Fillibuster was possible in our system?
  • glaeken 8 Nov 2013 16:14:43 11,368 posts
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    The EU referendum is a terrible idea. People are going to vote upon xenophobic grounds. I honestly think the question of if we should stay in or not is far to complex to put to referendum and people are going to be voting to go out due to not wanting foreigners telling us what to do with no concept of how it might actually play out and really effect the UK.

    Personally I have no idea if we would be better in or out so I don't think I would be qualified to make the call.

    Edited by glaeken at 16:17:02 08-11-2013
  • Dougs 8 Nov 2013 16:22:37 71,849 posts
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    You can easily run out of parliamentary time, there are only so many sitting days and a lot of legislation to get through in both Houses. This  is a private members bill too, which almost never see the light of day.
  • mcmonkeyplc 8 Nov 2013 16:27:06 39,833 posts
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    Dougs wrote:
    You can easily run out of parliamentary time, there are only so many sitting days and a lot of legislation to get through in both Houses. This  is a private members bill too, which almost never see the light of day.
    Oh he's talking about that? I thought he was referring to big Daves retarded plan.
  • Deleted user 8 November 2013 16:33:43
    glaeken wrote:
    The EU referendum is a terrible idea. People are going to vote upon xenophobic grounds. I honestly think the question of if we should stay in or not is far to complex to put to referendum and people are going to be voting to go out due to not wanting foreigners telling us what to do with no concept of how it might actually play out and really effect the UK.

    Personally I have no idea if we would be better in or out so I don't think I would be qualified to make the call.
    That's my perception of how every issue plays out imo. Nobody can have the slightest clue how shit will play out based on logic because there are always too many variables at play.

    It's probably why history degrees are so common among politicians; zomg how did this shit play out last time something similar happened :D
  • spamdangled 8 Nov 2013 16:42:39 27,899 posts
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    mcmonkeyplc wrote:
    darkmorgado wrote:
    So Labour are employing that age-old parliamentary tradition: the Fillibuster (or "talking it out") when it comes to the EU Referendum bill.

    Be interesting to see if they succeed.
    Care to elaborate? I didn't think a Fillibuster was possible in our system?
    The idea is that they talk... and talk... and talk until the deadline for it becoming law passes without a vote. It's employed quite often - a couple of years ago the House of Lords even had to put out makeshift beds as a debate went on throught an entire night.
  • mcmonkeyplc 8 Nov 2013 16:50:46 39,833 posts
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    LeoliansBro wrote:
    Yes he knows what a filibuster is, I'm sure. But I didn't think we had the retarded 'cannot cede the floor' kindergarten bullshit that America has.
    Yes this.
  • spamdangled 8 Nov 2013 16:52:16 27,899 posts
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    Interventions are at the discretion of the person speaking.

    As far as ceding the floor, it's down to the Speaker in attendance. On this occasion it looks like one of the Tories requested that the debate move on to voting, and the Speaker agreed.
  • rudedudejude 8 Nov 2013 16:57:38 2,268 posts
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    Trust the population to make an informed decision which will decide the position of the future of our country?

    AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!!!

    We're fucked.
  • spamdangled 8 Nov 2013 16:58:29 27,899 posts
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    rudedudejude wrote:
    Trust the population to make an informed decision which will decide the position of the future of our country?

    AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!!!

    We're fucked.
    That's certainly the Labour point of view it seems :D

    Not without cause, to be fair.
  • Popzeus 8 Nov 2013 17:03:11 8,424 posts
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    Referenda are generally a terrible idea. Between the EU referendum and the Scottish independence referendum, you could be looking at two massive changes for the worse, wrought by the tiny proportion of the population who gives enough of a fuck to vote either way, based almost entirely on arbitrary personal prejudice.
  • rudedudejude 8 Nov 2013 17:06:04 2,268 posts
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    The average joe shouldn't be voting full stop about anything that requires a modicum of brain activity to decide on. Jesus, look at some of those MPs that get elected. I mean, Nadine Dorries? Ahahahaha!

    Europe! Ha! It's just a popularity contest that will swing to whoever has the biggest media budget and the best marketing team.

    Going by the amount of 'tards that visit the Mail Online, I'm sure whichever angle they take will get the win.

    Maybe there should be an exam before you can vote, to check you are informed about the entire for / against argument.
  • Bremenacht 8 Nov 2013 17:24:16 21,426 posts
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    LeoliansBro wrote:
    Well, we trust the population to make an informed decision which will decide the position of the future of our country every five years already.
    That's why this Russell Brand stuff blew up. Look at the promises made at the last GE which both Tories and Liberals broke.

    What does is say for our political parties when they quite happily do that, and just blame the last lot for everything? What does it say for our open and unbiased press, when they (mostly) ignore these broken policies, because their owners say so?

    We decide very little about the future of the country when we vote.
  • spamdangled 8 Nov 2013 17:28:55 27,899 posts
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    rudedudejude wrote:
    Maybe there should be an exam before you can vote, to check you are informed about the entire for / against argument.
    That's what manifestos and things are for in elections, and I'm sure that before the referendum there will be a Yes and No campaign similar to the AV referendum so people can make an informed choice.

    ...

    Yeah, we're fucked.
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