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  • Bremenacht 17 Jul 2013 17:48:24 17,852 posts
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    No link - print only.

    It's another story of people who will be denied any access to justice once the changes take place. It also adds some detail as to how much money will be saved by making cuts to judicial reviews, complex 'borderline' cases and residency tests. The answer seems to be fuck all. Not a big story, but just another example of how Cameron saying "The test of a good society is how you look after the elderly, the frail, the vulnerable, the poorest" must be in reference to some country other than ours.
  • Deleted user 17 July 2013 18:01:31
    It is ducking disgusting. But if you try and raise the issue it gets dismissed as 'fat cat lawyers crying about fees' which is utter nonsense. For a funking start, fat cat lawyers aren't the ones doing legal aid work! I work for a charity at the moment and the amount of clients we cannot take because of legal aid or can take but it costs them a ton is disgusting.
  • Bremenacht 17 Jul 2013 18:47:04 17,852 posts
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    Ach - the story was about a charity -Shelter- obtaining Legal Aid to get a judicial review for a woman and two-month old baby sleeping rough, to get her access to emergency accommodation. It stated that when the cuts come in, they will no longer be able to do this.

    However, same issue reports from the House of Lords, where a long series of well-fed and well-renumerated Lords and Ladies of the legal profession stood up to complain about the changes, no doubt reminding the reporter of those 'fat cats crying about fees' you mentioned. Something government supporters will no doubt point to.
  • Chopsen 17 Jul 2013 19:07:52 15,885 posts
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    mowgli wrote:
    It is ducking disgusting. But if you try and raise the issue it gets dismissed as 'fat cat lawyers crying about fees' which is utter nonsense. For a funking start, fat cat lawyers aren't the ones doing legal aid work! I work for a charity at the moment and the amount of clients we cannot take because of legal aid or can take but it costs them a ton is disgusting.
    Mowgli: now safe for pre-watershed TV.
  • Deleted user 17 July 2013 19:55:21
    That cork socket is going to be one hell of a mothercrusher. Do you see what happens when you find a stranger in the alps?
  • El_MUERkO 19 Jul 2013 00:51:06 16,985 posts
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    Give blood and Mitt Romney will sell it to the highest bidder :D
  • TheSaint 19 Jul 2013 01:03:50 14,315 posts
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    Not sure how seriously I can take a blog with a hotmail address.
  • X201 19 Jul 2013 05:28:38 15,278 posts
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    Try The Guardian or Reuters

    http://m.guardian.co.uk/business/2013/jul/18/bain-capital-plasma-resources-uk

    http://uk.reuters.com/article/2013/07/18/uk-pruk-loans-idUKBRE96H0SQ20130718
  • mcmonkeyplc 19 Jul 2013 10:45:18 39,447 posts
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    Tax breaks for frackers

    I understand what they're trying to do but they could also increase the community returns on this as well.

    Come and get it cumslingers!

  • TheSaint 19 Jul 2013 10:54:42 14,315 posts
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    They aren't selling blood though are they? This is a US company brought by the NHS so that they could import blood from other places. Blood donations made within the UK still stays within the NHS.
  • Mr_Sleep 19 Jul 2013 11:04:54 16,983 posts
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    mcmonkeyplc wrote:
    Tax breaks for frackers

    I understand what they're trying to do but they could also increase the community returns on this as well.
    Please just fuck off George Osborne, it's one thing to bring in fracking, which is widely derided, it's another thing to then strip away the tax benefits that may come from it. I find it hard to fathom why the tax breaks are even necessary, surely there will be more than enough interest anyway?

    Edited by Mr_Sleep at 11:05:21 19-07-2013

    You are a factory of sadness.

  • mcmonkeyplc 19 Jul 2013 11:18:46 39,447 posts
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    We're making it cheaper to frack here than anywhere else in the world. They're desperate for growth.

    Come and get it cumslingers!

  • Mr_Sleep 19 Jul 2013 12:00:07 16,983 posts
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    mcmonkeyplc wrote:
    We're making it cheaper to frack here than anywhere else in the world. They're desperate for growth.
    Yet their methods of growth are so short term and may have some really nasty side effects. He has a modern history degree but doesn't seem to know much about the methods in modern history with which growth has been stimulated. It's sad when I seem to know more about economics than the person running our economy.

    You are a factory of sadness.

  • Bremenacht 19 Jul 2013 12:40:04 17,852 posts
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    It's not just about growth. They're shitting themselves over energy shortages, a problem they helped create by investing so much (and offering so many tax-breaks) in wind.
  • TheSaint 19 Jul 2013 12:51:00 14,315 posts
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    The point still stands that if you give blood in this country then it is going nowhere near this company.

    The NHS brought a public company to import blood during the height of CJD scare and has now offloaded it to a private equity firm.
  • mcmonkeyplc 19 Jul 2013 12:55:15 39,447 posts
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    Don't break out the fracking kills the planet argument again. We all know it's not environmentally friendly, we can do our best to make more friendly though by having better regulation.

    It is about creating growth. Ignoring this isn't going to help us grow. We should use tax revenue from this to fund renewables, local communities should see more money from local fracking. These are things we should actively be moaning about and pushing the government to do.

    Do you guys honestly think we should/could let an energy resource remain untapped in the current economic and geopolitical climate?

    Wake up and taste the polluted water.

    Come and get it cumslingers!

  • Bremenacht 19 Jul 2013 12:58:29 17,852 posts
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    They originally set it up because the plasma they bought in from the states was was sourced from HIV, Hepatitis, etc. infected US cons on the cheap. So, UK people needing plasma got a nice little surprise. I believe that people are still trying to get adequate compensation from the UK Gov, which is doing its best to avoid paying out.

    The understandable fear is that this company will now seek to source it's blood products on the cheap again.
  • Bremenacht 19 Jul 2013 13:00:19 17,852 posts
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    mcmonkeyplc wrote:
    We all know it's not environmentally friendly, we can do our best to make more friendly though by having better regulation.
    We could, but we won't. Regulations get in the way of growth, donchaknow.
  • mcmonkeyplc 19 Jul 2013 13:09:11 39,447 posts
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    Bremenacht wrote:
    mcmonkeyplc wrote:
    We all know it's not environmentally friendly, we can do our best to make more friendly though by having better regulation.
    We could, but we won't. Regulations get in the way of growth, donchaknow.
    Lack of regulations lead to accidents, accidents lead to deaths, deaths get in the way of growth.

    This is something else we need to focus on. Just screaming NO FRACKING isn't helping anyone. We will frack it we should concentrate our efforts on making our fraking as safe as possible.

    Come and get it cumslingers!

  • Destria 19 Jul 2013 13:14:59 2,823 posts
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    It's worth noting that the US is now exporting gas rather than importing it due to their fracking operations (at least according to the media reports I've read).

    It's also worth noting that we still use a hell of a lot of gas for domestic heating. That won't be replaced by renewable sources for a while.
  • mcmonkeyplc 19 Jul 2013 13:16:57 39,447 posts
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    Fracking is not a long term solution. It's a medium term solution to our energy needs at best but it will help us in the long term if we use the revenue it brings wisely.

    Unlike our north sea oil resources which we just pissed away as far as I can tell.

    Come and get it cumslingers!

  • Bremenacht 19 Jul 2013 13:17:25 17,852 posts
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    And North Sea revenues are dropping.
  • Destria 19 Jul 2013 13:21:36 2,823 posts
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    Like maybe actually spending the money on a state pension fund, rather than the quasi-pyramid scheme the current one is
  • mcmonkeyplc 19 Jul 2013 13:23:11 39,447 posts
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    That would be a start. Investing in renewable energy research as well, that will probably be 0.01% of the tax revenue. Should be 10%

    Edited by mcmonkeyplc at 13:25:13 19-07-2013

    Come and get it cumslingers!

  • TheSaint 19 Jul 2013 13:26:09 14,315 posts
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    Nah we should use the money to turn Blackpool into this:

    http://www.waterstechnology.com/IMG/590/245590/dubai-skyline-2013-web.jpg
  • mcmonkeyplc 19 Jul 2013 13:32:48 39,447 posts
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    Isn't that what we tried doing with the North sea oil revenues? :)

    Come and get it cumslingers!

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