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  • Deleted user 17 July 2013 19:55:21
    That cork socket is going to be one hell of a mothercrusher. Do you see what happens when you find a stranger in the alps?
  • El_MUERkO 19 Jul 2013 00:51:06 18,226 posts
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    Give blood and Mitt Romney will sell it to the highest bidder :D
  • TheSaint 19 Jul 2013 01:03:50 17,305 posts
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    Not sure how seriously I can take a blog with a hotmail address.
  • X201 19 Jul 2013 05:28:38 18,096 posts
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    Try The Guardian or Reuters

    http://m.guardian.co.uk/business/2013/jul/18/bain-capital-plasma-resources-uk

    http://uk.reuters.com/article/2013/07/18/uk-pruk-loans-idUKBRE96H0SQ20130718
  • Deleted user 19 July 2013 10:45:18
    Tax breaks for frackers

    I understand what they're trying to do but they could also increase the community returns on this as well.
  • TheSaint 19 Jul 2013 10:54:42 17,305 posts
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    They aren't selling blood though are they? This is a US company brought by the NHS so that they could import blood from other places. Blood donations made within the UK still stays within the NHS.
  • Mr_Sleep 19 Jul 2013 11:04:54 21,143 posts
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    mcmonkeyplc wrote:
    Tax breaks for frackers

    I understand what they're trying to do but they could also increase the community returns on this as well.
    Please just fuck off George Osborne, it's one thing to bring in fracking, which is widely derided, it's another thing to then strip away the tax benefits that may come from it. I find it hard to fathom why the tax breaks are even necessary, surely there will be more than enough interest anyway?

    Edited by Mr_Sleep at 11:05:21 19-07-2013
  • Deleted user 19 July 2013 11:18:46
    We're making it cheaper to frack here than anywhere else in the world. They're desperate for growth.
  • Mr_Sleep 19 Jul 2013 12:00:07 21,143 posts
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    mcmonkeyplc wrote:
    We're making it cheaper to frack here than anywhere else in the world. They're desperate for growth.
    Yet their methods of growth are so short term and may have some really nasty side effects. He has a modern history degree but doesn't seem to know much about the methods in modern history with which growth has been stimulated. It's sad when I seem to know more about economics than the person running our economy.
  • Deleted user 19 July 2013 12:40:04
    It's not just about growth. They're shitting themselves over energy shortages, a problem they helped create by investing so much (and offering so many tax-breaks) in wind.
  • TheSaint 19 Jul 2013 12:51:00 17,305 posts
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    The point still stands that if you give blood in this country then it is going nowhere near this company.

    The NHS brought a public company to import blood during the height of CJD scare and has now offloaded it to a private equity firm.
  • Deleted user 19 July 2013 12:55:15
    Don't break out the fracking kills the planet argument again. We all know it's not environmentally friendly, we can do our best to make more friendly though by having better regulation.

    It is about creating growth. Ignoring this isn't going to help us grow. We should use tax revenue from this to fund renewables, local communities should see more money from local fracking. These are things we should actively be moaning about and pushing the government to do.

    Do you guys honestly think we should/could let an energy resource remain untapped in the current economic and geopolitical climate?

    Wake up and taste the polluted water.
  • Deleted user 19 July 2013 12:58:29
    They originally set it up because the plasma they bought in from the states was was sourced from HIV, Hepatitis, etc. infected US cons on the cheap. So, UK people needing plasma got a nice little surprise. I believe that people are still trying to get adequate compensation from the UK Gov, which is doing its best to avoid paying out.

    The understandable fear is that this company will now seek to source it's blood products on the cheap again.
  • Deleted user 19 July 2013 13:00:19
    mcmonkeyplc wrote:
    We all know it's not environmentally friendly, we can do our best to make more friendly though by having better regulation.
    We could, but we won't. Regulations get in the way of growth, donchaknow.
  • Deleted user 19 July 2013 13:09:11
    Bremenacht wrote:
    mcmonkeyplc wrote:
    We all know it's not environmentally friendly, we can do our best to make more friendly though by having better regulation.
    We could, but we won't. Regulations get in the way of growth, donchaknow.
    Lack of regulations lead to accidents, accidents lead to deaths, deaths get in the way of growth.

    This is something else we need to focus on. Just screaming NO FRACKING isn't helping anyone. We will frack it we should concentrate our efforts on making our fraking as safe as possible.
  • Destria 19 Jul 2013 13:14:59 2,855 posts
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    It's worth noting that the US is now exporting gas rather than importing it due to their fracking operations (at least according to the media reports I've read).

    It's also worth noting that we still use a hell of a lot of gas for domestic heating. That won't be replaced by renewable sources for a while.
  • Deleted user 19 July 2013 13:16:57
    Fracking is not a long term solution. It's a medium term solution to our energy needs at best but it will help us in the long term if we use the revenue it brings wisely.

    Unlike our north sea oil resources which we just pissed away as far as I can tell.
  • Deleted user 19 July 2013 13:17:25
    And North Sea revenues are dropping.
  • Destria 19 Jul 2013 13:21:36 2,855 posts
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    Like maybe actually spending the money on a state pension fund, rather than the quasi-pyramid scheme the current one is
  • Deleted user 19 July 2013 13:23:11
    That would be a start. Investing in renewable energy research as well, that will probably be 0.01% of the tax revenue. Should be 10%

    Edited by mcmonkeyplc at 13:25:13 19-07-2013
  • TheSaint 19 Jul 2013 13:26:09 17,305 posts
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    Nah we should use the money to turn Blackpool into this:

    http://www.waterstechnology.com/IMG/590/245590/dubai-skyline-2013-web.jpg
  • Deleted user 19 July 2013 13:32:48
    Isn't that what we tried doing with the North sea oil revenues? :)
  • El_MUERkO 19 Jul 2013 14:22:33 18,226 posts
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  • Deleted user 19 July 2013 14:26:09
    Must be some kind of instinct for people to link that video.
  • Khanivor 19 Jul 2013 14:33:20 43,215 posts
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    Fracking is shifty but its allowing the US to be on track to be the largest energy producer in the world in a decade or so. This is already having profound geo-political implications as the need to pander to oil producers in the Middle East and elsewhere is diminishing.

    I'd be concerned about giving too many tax breaks but perhaps there would be a benefit from that. Companies would not have to squeeze as hard to make money so safety might not be constrained. Plenty if qualifiers there tho :)
  • El_MUERkO 19 Jul 2013 14:37:01 18,226 posts
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    I don't see it linked before now, there was a link to the trailer of the first movie, this is to the sequel which was aired on HBO a couple of weeks ago and deals far more with the lobbying of government by Gas companies.

    Fracking has me worried though, my water is from a spring on my land, which is in an area the government says has plenty of shale and thus is at risk from Fracking, I'd really rather not get poisoned or have an earthquake damage my house so some MP can get a cushy directorship.
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