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  • Deleted user 18 May 2013 16:58:29
    joelstinton wrote:
    Rec wrote:

    We can't simply keeping building more and more for houses etc new people. We have a countryside to preserve. Labour completely screwed up with their approach to the subject and better control is needed. There's little sense in letting someone in for example if they are not going to add to our society or if they plan to abuse the system. With a tighter approach to the subject, the problem would be resolved. People may not like Ukip, but they have brought the EU into question. If we can get a reform or a re-negotiation like many think we could get, hopefully things will be more balanced. At the moment, I think we're are getting the raw end of the deal in the EU and it's corrupt ways at the moment. Some of the people in power there weren't even voted in...
    Weirldy , i think about housing problems quite a lot. Its a weird side interest i have developed. Eventually over population is going to be an issue, we can't keep building terraced housing for ages and demand our right for a garden and pretty hedges.

    As a country bumpkin, i hate to see cornwall slowly start being concreted over. Lines have to be drawn and new ways of hoursing have to be develop, and also a change in the mindset of the british public.
    The British countryside is one the great parts of Britain. Having tried city and country life, personally, I find the country life a lot better. It's nicer to be somewhere quieter while surrounded by the green. Like you said, a line has to be drawn. The population in this country jumped dramatically when Labour opened the doors wide open to immigration. It was reckless and stupid of them.
  • FWB 18 May 2013 17:30:22 54,057 posts
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    Have they even looked at the Asylum Seeker figures? They are tiny, insignificant in fact. It is bloody hard to claim it. So much so that "illegals" don't even bother with it.

    Edited by FWB at 17:31:48 18-05-2013
  • Deleted user 18 May 2013 18:59:38
    RobTheBuilder wrote:
    @lavalant unemployed scrounging student cunts eh?

    Oh dear
    Have a look at their twitter page, and some of the defending comments.

    Angry mobs attacking people isn't something to be proud of, it's embarrassing for the whole of Scotland. Their excuse? 'he's a Nazi'

    Oh dear indeed Rob
  • Deleted user 18 May 2013 19:01:47
    Very proud to be Scottish seeing that. Deplorable cunt that he is.
  • disusedgenius 18 May 2013 20:17:48 8,680 posts
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    Rec wrote:
    The population in this country jumped dramatically when Labour opened the doors wide open to immigration. It was reckless and stupid of them.
    Except, you know...

    That's just a bit of right-wing bullshit which has been accepted as fact now. Clamping down on immigration is shit for business, the economy and a lot of our services. Traditionally, in fact, it was the left who was anti-immigration because of Unions and 'dey took our jeerbs'.

    Immigration is just one of those 'bigger than us' global things, really. Sure, you can fight it, but you're going to cripple yourself for the pleasure.
  • Deleted user 18 May 2013 20:18:23
    Michael Gove heckled at head teachers' conference in Birmingham

    ho ho.
  • FWB 18 May 2013 20:42:21 54,057 posts
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    I love that trick of cutting off the bottom of the grapho so it looks like the increase is dramatic.

    And Gove... I really do hope something unpleasant happens to him. I would never usually wish such a thing upon a person, but he is a hideous human being. Absolutely awful.
  • President_Weasel 18 May 2013 21:23:50 12,339 posts
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    Playing soundbite politics with schools. You meddling Pob cunt, I need the little bastards to be well-educated so they can earn decent money in a competitive global workplace so they can pay my pension when I am old.

    Messing with the curriculum so history is about "the glorious history of these shining British Isles" instead of proper history.
    Proposing changes that aren't supported by any decent research because they sound good and make good politics. Positioning himself for a leadership challenge too by the looks of it, making little digs at Cameron and fawning to the more frothy wing of the party.

    Odious little creep.
  • disusedgenius 18 May 2013 21:29:10 8,680 posts
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    Yeah, oddly enough I quite liked him at the start of the term. He's just become more and more of an tedious, obnoxious little squit the further it's gone on.
  • mothercruncher 18 May 2013 22:29:42 14,208 posts
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    From a Guardian article this weekend:

    In Eastleigh where... UKIP beat the Tories into second place, it's electioneering included one leaflet claiming: "Next year, the EU will allow 29 million Bulgarians and Romanians to come to the UK."

    The number was derived by simply adding the two countries' populations together.
  • Deleted user 18 May 2013 23:17:32
    Is that not technically correct?
  • mothercruncher 18 May 2013 23:40:16 14,208 posts
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    It's technically idi-fucking-otic, but it scares the right people, eh?
  • Deleted user 18 May 2013 23:40:30
    disusedgenius wrote:
    Yeah, oddly enough I quite liked him at the start of the term. He's just become more and more of an tedious, obnoxious little squit the further it's gone on.
    They all have really. Almost every Tory who seemed reasonable then has run up their true colours since.
  • spamdangled 19 May 2013 01:36:20 31,040 posts
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    Watching Gove in that conference was cringeworthy. He really just doesn't care and has no interest in listening to the Teachers, does he?

    "I'm very sorry, but if you think Ofsted are creating a culture of fear then this is where you and I must part ways".

    I mean, how the fuck would he know? He's not a bloody Teacher!

    Edited by darkmorgado at 01:52:32 19-05-2013
  • thelzdking 19 May 2013 01:38:56 6,469 posts
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    He's an ideologue who seems to have a strong desire to lead the party.

    Edited by thelzdking at 01:42:29 19-05-2013
  • Deleted user 19 May 2013 06:11:48
    I can't believe people still vote for Labour. They made a complete hash of things last time they were in power and people want to give them ANOTHER chance?!

    Fine, kick the Tories out, but don't bring back the clueless party. At least give someone else a chance...
  • mothercruncher 19 May 2013 08:45:13 14,208 posts
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    Would your preference be....... UKIP by any chance?
  • Deleted user 19 May 2013 09:06:06
    No. They've made some good points about where the UK is going in the future, but that's it. There are loads of parties out there. Look beyond the "main" three is my point.

    Edited by Rec at 09:06:27 19-05-2013
  • Deleted user 19 May 2013 09:07:22
    People still vote for labour as there is still not a viable alternative. We have the comedy relief parties like the lib demo and ukip, and then there is the fucking deplorable tories.
  • Deleted user 19 May 2013 09:12:25
    I don't quite buy that argument. Libs haven't really been in power, Tories are well...you know, and Labour had 12 years to get things going. Instead they screwed it up. Where's the sense in setting off the loose cannons again? It would make more sense to pick a party that would at least balance things out.

    Edited by Rec at 09:14:25 19-05-2013
  • Deleted user 19 May 2013 09:46:29
    One thing that really pisses me off, when i am talking politics with people like my brother, is how angry they get over things that are *already* illegal, as though they are actually legal: e.g. Immigrants coming to abuse the system! Illegal immigration! Raarr these things shouldn't happen raaar!

    No, that's why they are ILLEGAL. Murder shouldn't happen raar raaaarr.
  • Deleted user 19 May 2013 09:50:21
    Ps: rec, are you concerned about birth rates also, or just immigrants arriving, if space is at a premium?
  • FWB 19 May 2013 09:53:28 54,057 posts
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    It's the swing voters that determine the government. Most people will vote Labour or Conservative because they have all their life, a bit like a football team. There is no thought given to it.

    And no one wins an election, they lose it. The argument that there is no alternative is crap. Considering how bad the two main parties are, there is always an alternative. But hey, if that's what people want to think, then they deserve no better.
  • Deleted user 19 May 2013 10:22:37
    RedSparrows wrote:
    One thing that really pisses me off, when i am talking politics with people like my brother, is how angry they get over things that are *already* illegal, as though they are actually legal: e.g. Immigrants coming to abuse the system! Illegal immigration! Raarr these things shouldn't happen raaar!

    No, that's why they are ILLEGAL. Murder shouldn't happen raar raaaarr.
    I get what you are saying but these arguments (and god knows I see them a lot) are usually that not enough is done about these already illegal things.
  • Deleted user 19 May 2013 10:40:14
    FWB wrote:
    And no one wins an election, they lose it. The argument that there is no alternative is crap. Considering how bad the two main parties are, there is always an alternative. But hey, if that's what people want to think, then they deserve no better.
    Truth. A truth made even more ridiculous because voting for the big two usually means you get the same policies and behaviour anyway. I shake my head when hearing (or reading) people say that 'Labour would stop that!' or 'Labour wouldn't allow that!'. Oh yes they would!
  • Deleted user 19 May 2013 11:02:33
    @RedSparrows

    All of it. The infrastructure of all cities are under pressure already. With new arrives from abroad and births it causes more pressure. People want to start families, no problems there, but we can (or should) control immigration.
  • spamdangled 20 May 2013 12:12:05 31,040 posts
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    So in a desperate and transparent attempt to sabotage Gay Marriage, there's a debate and vote on the issue today after an anti-gay Tory tabled an amendment to extend civil partnerships to heterosexual couples. This will delay the bill by up to 5 years, effectively kicking it into the long grass.

    I'm all for extending civil partnerships to straight people, but this is just an utterly blatant attempt to make the whole damn thing go away from the more homophobic parts of the Tory back bench.
  • Waffleaber 20 May 2013 12:18:17 675 posts
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    It's very odd. They're pretending it's entirely reasonable when the reasonable thing to do would be to pass it as a separate law.
  • spamdangled 20 May 2013 12:22:13 31,040 posts
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    That's my thinking too. If the Tories backing this amendment REALLY wanted both, they'd let Gay Marriage go through and then push for an amendment to the civil partnership act.

    Another way of doing it which wouldn't delay the bill at all - which was just mentioned on BBC News - would be for the government to introduce an amendment to the existing bill during its next reading in the Lords. This wouldn't delay the bill in the slightest.

    The phrase "beware opponents bearing gifts" was made by one LD about the Tory backbench amendment.
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