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  • spamdangled 30 Apr 2013 11:33:56 27,276 posts
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    LeoliansBro wrote:
    So I said you could go to the Job Centre to apply, and you said they can't because they need to apply over the phone.

    So I said they should probably apply over the phone then, and you said they can't because they're stopping that and so they'll... need to go to the Job Centre.

    Or apply online. Which they can do in a myriad of places.

    I'm not sure what your point is.
    You can't apply in the job centre, LB. Unless they're suddenly planning on spending a few million to fully equip the job centres with enough computers to meet demand.

    RE: Public Libraries, a valid point but many of them now charge by the hour for access. And that's before you consider how sensible it is to ask people to enter confidential personal information on a computer for all to see in a public place.

    It's also been reported that the new online application system doesn't actually work properly in most browsers and often deletes all the information you entered instead of submitting it.

    Edited by darkmorgado at 11:43:29 30-04-2013

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  • Deleted user 30 April 2013 11:35:44
    Chopsen wrote:
    As TheSaint said above: public libraries.
    Or friends with computers.
  • LeoliansBro 30 Apr 2013 11:35:54 43,671 posts
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    Yes they charge a pound.

    If the online system doesn't work that's a bigger problem.

    LB, you really are a massive geek.

  • spamdangled 30 Apr 2013 11:40:05 27,276 posts
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    LeoliansBro wrote:
    Yes they charge a pound.

    If the online system doesn't work that's a bigger problem.
    In the small print on the gov.uk "how to claim" site: "The service does not work properly with Macs or other Unix-based systems even though you may be able to enter information. You are likely to have problems if you use Internet Explorer 7, 8, 9 and 10, Windows Vista or a smartphone. There is also a high risk that if you use... Chrome, Safari or Firefox, the service will not display all the questions you need to answer. This is likely to prevent you from completing or submitting the form"

    The rumour is that the systems not working is why they scaled down the pilot of from 4 areas to just 1 (small) Job Centre.

    Edited by darkmorgado at 11:46:57 30-04-2013

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  • TheSaint 30 Apr 2013 11:48:19 14,272 posts
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    In fairness it does give you access to the forms from the page containing that text so hardly a major issue:

    http://www.dwp.gov.uk/eservice/need.asp
  • TheSaint 30 Apr 2013 11:52:11 14,272 posts
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    After a bit more reading it also looks like that is an old page that someone has stumbled across as it doesn't match the look of the new site as all:

    http://www.dwp.gov.uk/
  • LeoliansBro 30 Apr 2013 11:57:29 43,671 posts
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    Of course, moving applications online means they will be much less likely to be lost, much more likely to be fully completed (as you can't submit with empty fields) and so not rejected, processed more swiftly as they are received instantly and recorded securely for future reference. But let's not let that get in the way of a rant hey?

    LB, you really are a massive geek.

  • TheSaint 30 Apr 2013 12:00:46 14,272 posts
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    Did you get it from this blog DM?

    http://sampb.co.uk/politics/dla-online-outdated/
  • Khanivor 30 Apr 2013 12:02:23 40,506 posts
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    I guess Aberdeen must have been well ahead of the game when I searched for jobs using a computer terminal about a decade ago.

    You have to be special if you actually think they are going to not allow people to apply for benefits at a job center.
  • spamdangled 30 Apr 2013 12:06:42 27,276 posts
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    Khanivor wrote:
    I guess Aberdeen must have been well ahead of the game when I searched for jobs using a computer terminal about a decade ago.

    You have to be special if you actually think they are going to not allow people to apply for benefits at a job center.
    Those job terminals aren't full PCs. They're touschcreen-operated menu screens without a mouse, keyboard, etc:



    And they don't allow you to apply now - you're told to use a phone to call a regional call center.

    And the Job Centre isn't listed as a place for people to gain computer access to apply

    But hey, maybe they'll beat all the odds and actually roll out a system that actually works for a change.

    Edited by darkmorgado at 12:11:29 30-04-2013

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  • Khanivor 30 Apr 2013 12:17:33 40,506 posts
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    So you don't think those pcs could be used to fill out a form?
  • spamdangled 30 Apr 2013 12:19:42 27,276 posts
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    Perhaps, if they create new software to work with them, or dismantle the casing and attach a mouse and keyboard to each one, which would also mean finding desks and seating to put them on.

    Would probably cost a few million to cover the whole country, but if they were planning anything on those lines you'd think they would have said something about it by now in the face of all the criticism and questions they've been coming under.

    Edited by darkmorgado at 12:22:19 30-04-2013

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  • Deleted user 30 April 2013 12:21:07
    Do the job centre workers not have pcs?
  • Deleted user 30 April 2013 12:22:24
    Anyway, why do you think the government would deliberately make it 'impossible' for the unemployed to get a job? There's no benefit to them.
  • Khanivor 30 Apr 2013 12:23:08 40,506 posts
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    If only there was some way of having a touch screen keyboard. Imagine the revolution that could occur in consumer electronics.
  • spamdangled 30 Apr 2013 12:23:54 27,276 posts
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    Aargh. wrote:
    Do the job centre workers not have pcs?
    Yes, but then are they going to find the extra staff, desks and computers needed to fulfill the extra work of filling out forms on behalf of claimants?

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  • Deleted user 30 April 2013 12:24:39
    Don't the job centre workers help them fill out forms now?
  • Khanivor 30 Apr 2013 12:25:47 40,506 posts
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    Not having to deal with the sour cunts at the dole just so they can transpose what you entered on your application form onto their computer screen seems like a step in the right direction to me.

    I wonder, will this mean you'll be able to sign on online as well?
  • spamdangled 30 Apr 2013 12:26:06 27,276 posts
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    sajasanman wrote:
    Aargh. wrote:
    Do the job centre workers not have pcs?
    Yes, but they'd probably rather kill themselves than let the scum touch them :)
    They're locked by staff ID cards anyway iirc because of the amount of sensitive information on them.

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  • Khanivor 30 Apr 2013 12:26:35 40,506 posts
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    Aargh. wrote:
    Don't the job centre workers help them fill out forms now?
    That is the main job of many of them.
  • Deleted user 30 April 2013 12:28:01
    So this changes nothing other than reduce paper?
  • spamdangled 30 Apr 2013 12:28:33 27,276 posts
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    Khanivor wrote:
    I wonder, will this mean you'll be able to sign on online as well?
    I doubt it because of the need to make sure it's actually the claimant signing on. Plus that would make jobcentreplus redundant.

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  • spamdangled 30 Apr 2013 12:29:29 27,276 posts
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    Khanivor wrote:
    Aargh. wrote:
    Don't the job centre workers help them fill out forms now?
    That is the main job of many of them.
    No it's not. When was the last time you had to use a job centre? Sounds like a decade ago, given what you said earlier.

    Edited by darkmorgado at 12:32:00 30-04-2013

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  • spamdangled 30 Apr 2013 12:32:55 27,276 posts
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    Khani, what's the system in America for stuff like this?

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  • Khanivor 30 Apr 2013 13:16:08 40,506 posts
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    It's been about 7 years since I last signed on. When I was, lots of staff were there to process claims. In other words, sit there and ask you if each box in the forms you filled out was correct and then stick that info in a computer. Waste of fucking time.

    Every two weeks you'd go along and they would then stickier things you said into a computer till they got bored, you signed on and went home. Waste of fucking time.

    In the US everything is done over the phone or online. You put in social security number as proof of who you are and are done in a minute or two. I don't know how facilities for folks without computers are as I was never forced to encounter such places. Other than for mandatory course after first tier of benefits had ran out. That blew me away as it was actually useful and learnt me some things.

    After springing loads of time on file in the UK I'm more partial to US way of doing things. Not sure if I would feel the same if I hadn't been able to find work before benefits stopped but if you can't find a job of some sort in a year you're without hope and a rather exceptional case. I do think, however, determining what makes an exceptional case available for extended benefits should not be left up to wankers in DC, as it is now.
  • Bremenacht 30 Apr 2013 13:25:02 17,701 posts
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    Chopsen wrote:
    As TheSaint said above: public libraries.
    What are they?
  • RobTheBuilder 30 Apr 2013 13:25:54 6,521 posts
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    @Aargh. Of course there is. They want the benefit costs to go up so they have an excuse to cut them. They can then put them on slave labour Workfare projects where they have to work for free.
  • spamdangled 30 Apr 2013 13:30:08 27,276 posts
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    TheSaint wrote:
    Did you get it from this blog DM?

    http://sampb.co.uk/politics/dla-online-outdated/
    Nope. I got most of it from watching various Commons debates and things over the last few weeks, there was a bit in PE about it, news coverage, etc.

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