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  • spamdangled 24 Apr 2013 10:19:17 30,811 posts
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    It's pretty much required reading in the House of Commons going by what I've read and watched over the years (and a lot of the stories are sourced from the civil service and politicians in the first place). The Tories seem to hate it with a particular passion (I wonder why?). I do occasionally wonder whether there is mainstream political pressure which leads to most of their stories not getting the wider coverage they deserve. But it's probably the gagging effect of the libel laws here, as you say.

    Edited by darkmorgado at 10:20:16 24-04-2013
  • Deleted user 24 April 2013 10:48:27
    They are rarely(?) sued because they word their articles very carefully and are prepared to defend themselves in court. The letters in the letters pages aren't corrections - they're replies. Doesn't mean there isn't any substance to a story. One of their techniques is to print a vague piece on someone or some organisation and see if it rattles their cage. Said person/org then digs a hole for themselves and does PE's work for them! Or, nothing happens and that's that. Apologies/corrections are fairly explicit and come from the editor or in the form of a headed article. Should I get out more? :(

    Dunno why you pick out the Tories there, DM. They all hate it. And love it. Just as long as it's the other side being shamed-up.
  • 4gate 24 Apr 2013 10:53:23 362 posts
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    Corrections / replies, agreed, which differentiates them from the rest of the press, who squash most contrary opinion provided to them by not publishing it, and/or redacting articles, and/or disabling any comments online on the subject. If the rest of the press behaved like PE, the country would be a significantly better place. imho ofc.
  • spamdangled 24 Apr 2013 11:39:44 30,811 posts
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    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-22278067

    Cameron backs "Clean wifi" internet censorship.

    Mr Cameron told the Telegraph he wanted people to "have confidence in public wi-fi systems so that they are not going to see things they shouldn't".
  • Psychotext 24 Apr 2013 11:53:03 61,808 posts
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    lol
  • spamdangled 24 Apr 2013 12:05:14 30,811 posts
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    I love how we are all too stupid to decide for ourselves what we should be seeing.
  • spamdangled 24 Apr 2013 12:06:16 30,811 posts
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    Bloody hell, Milliband is seriously on the offensive in PMQs.

    He's *almost* making himself look electable.

    Edited by darkmorgado at 12:06:42 24-04-2013
  • Deleted user 24 April 2013 12:28:39
    Don't be silly.
  • spamdangled 24 Apr 2013 12:52:48 30,811 posts
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    Deportation of Abu Qatada is now back to square one.

    The treaty arrangement with Jordan has been renegotiated and will take 21 days to ratify. Once that's done, they can make a new application for deportation, but that means he can appeal again, and again, and again, then go to the European court, and then appeal again, and again.

    So it's taken 10 years, and could take another 10 years.

    Oh, and it's been suggested that Tories will use the issue as a cover reason to leave the Human Rights convention.

    Edited by darkmorgado at 12:54:15 24-04-2013
  • Rodpad 24 Apr 2013 13:41:36 2,952 posts
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    darkmorgado wrote:
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-22278067

    Cameron backs "Clean wifi" internet censorship.

    Mr Cameron told the Telegraph he wanted people to "have confidence in public wi-fi systems so that they are not going to see things they shouldn't".
    Amazing.

    Disconnect from wifi, use 3G, search for tits, result.

    Fucking waste of money and resources.
  • TheSaint 24 Apr 2013 14:03:22 17,366 posts
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    darkmorgado wrote:
    Oh, and it's been suggested that Tories will use the issue as a cover reason to leave the Human Rights convention.
    By you?
  • spamdangled 24 Apr 2013 14:39:26 30,811 posts
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    Defamation bill being debated atm, specifically giving website hosts protection against content posted/circulated by posters. Could benefit P2P sites as well.
  • spamdangled 24 Apr 2013 14:39:48 30,811 posts
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    TheSaint wrote:
    darkmorgado wrote:
    Oh, and it's been suggested that Tories will use the issue as a cover reason to leave the Human Rights convention.
    By you?
    No, by Theresa May in answer to questions raised after her statement on Abu Qatada.

    Edited by darkmorgado at 14:42:41 24-04-2013
  • TheSaint 24 Apr 2013 14:47:54 17,366 posts
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    You seemed to have missed the word temporarily.

    On the possibility of the UK temporarily withdrawing from the European Court on Human Rights, Mrs May said it was her view that the UK needed to "fix that relationship".

    She said the prime minister was exploring options, including temporary withdrawal, and it was "sensible" to have "all options on the table".
    I can't really decide how I feel about this. Obviously it was created with the best intentions but it just seems like it has so many loop holes.
  • Deleted user 24 April 2013 14:57:24
    The loop holes aren't loop holes as such, as I understand it. They're more unpleasantries that governments don't want to have to deal with: i.e. Qatada can't be deported because Jordan won't treat witnesses and the like with the proper respect for their rights - not Qatada's rights, etc.
  • spamdangled 24 Apr 2013 15:22:47 30,811 posts
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    TheSaint wrote:
    You seemed to have missed the word temporarily.

    On the possibility of the UK temporarily withdrawing from the European Court on Human Rights, Mrs May said it was her view that the UK needed to "fix that relationship".

    She said the prime minister was exploring options, including temporary withdrawal, and it was "sensible" to have "all options on the table".
    I can't really decide how I feel about this. Obviously it was created with the best intentions but it just seems like it has so many loop holes.
    "Temporarily". Given the Tories are making a big thing about leaving the convention entirely (partly because their hand has been forced by UKIP), I think calling it a temporary measure is a bit misleading, given that if they had their way we would never go back into it.

    With regards to the loopholes, well they aren't so much loopholes as they are interpretations. The original convention is pretty short, with little in the way of elaboration or giving much context for interpretation. It was fairly inevitable that as time moved on it was going to become a thorny issue. It definitely needs revising and updating to clarify certain aspects (does one right take priority over another when the two clash, should victims' rights take precedence over the rights of offenders, etc). But we could only do that by being part of that process, and leaving the convention would send a bad signal and cause reputational damage. Not to mention undermine our ability to criticise nations like Syria for abusing human rights.
  • RobTheBuilder 24 Apr 2013 15:27:18 6,976 posts
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    It will be a temporary exit that they string out as long as possible until they can say we might as well stay out.

    When history looks back on the actions of this government it will be with the embarassed condemnation of a society that let them get away with everything but murder.
  • Retroid Moderator 24 Apr 2013 15:31:31 45,444 posts
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    I want to commit some crimes. Bit of theft, murder, you know.

    Presumably Theresa May will be OK with me temporarily withdrawing my UK citizenship during this period?

    After all, if she's so crap that she can't work out how to do something within the framework of existing law then I should be OK! \o/
  • spamdangled 24 Apr 2013 16:48:38 30,811 posts
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    New report raises concerns over illegal school exclusions
  • spamdangled 25 Apr 2013 12:05:18 30,811 posts
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    The "shares for rights" bill has passed.

    Urgh.
  • spamdangled 25 Apr 2013 12:08:09 30,811 posts
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    And Lottery could increase election turnout, says Labour
  • TheSaint 25 Apr 2013 12:12:30 17,366 posts
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    The lottery is referred to as an idiot tax for a reason. I'd rather they stayed at home.
  • DFawkes Friendliest Forumite, 2016 25 Apr 2013 12:15:26 31,390 posts
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    I vote anyway (mostly pointlessly as I believe it's one of the strongest Labour strongholds, hence Gordon Brown as our MP). Wouldn't mind a chance to win something on top of that :)
  • cubbymoore 25 Apr 2013 14:28:10 36,618 posts
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    The snoopers charter's been temporarily killed by Clegg. Maybe he's found a backbone somewhere after all. Could he perhaps apply this backbone to everything else the conservatives are forcing through as well please?
  • spamdangled 27 Apr 2013 15:53:42 30,811 posts
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    Don't agree with the Tories? Here, have some subtle brainwashing courtesy of David Cameron
  • RobTheBuilder 27 Apr 2013 16:54:05 6,976 posts
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    Nudge theory can be used for good, but I don't trust the Tories to do so.

    Bar their road policy. The reduction in speed cameras is nudge policy how it should be done
  • spamdangled 27 Apr 2013 20:28:12 30,811 posts
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    Here's another one:

    UKIP Local Council candidate believes exercise is a preventative measure against homosexuality.
  • RobTheBuilder 27 Apr 2013 20:38:25 6,976 posts
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    @darkmorgado oh wow.
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