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  • GoatApocalypse 8 Nov 2017 22:01:21 3,093 posts
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    Right, you've distracted me from coursework for long enough. Sorry I was narky at times, I enjoyed the chat - thanks.

    Night.

    Edited by GoatApocalypse at 22:01:43 08-11-2017
  • spamdangled 8 Nov 2017 22:05:26 30,976 posts
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    @GoatApocalypse

    True, though it irritates me that while the low countries have high taxes and an extremely liberal prison system etc, they also have among the highest happiness ratings in the world, among the lowest crime rates, etc. but other countries don't attempt to follow their example. It shows, in a way, that money isn't in itself a route to happiness.

    Edited by spamdangled at 22:06:08 08-11-2017
  • spamdangled 8 Nov 2017 22:06:55 30,976 posts
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    @GoatApocalypse

    Night mate. Enjoyed the back and forth :)
  • RelaxedMikki 8 Nov 2017 22:09:01 2,252 posts
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    @spamdangled

    It's almost as if money has a vested interest in preventing other countries following their example. 🤔

    Edited by RelaxedMikki at 22:12:16 08-11-2017
  • spamdangled 8 Nov 2017 22:11:15 30,976 posts
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    @RelaxedMikki

    In many ways, a lib dem government would be much like the low countries (given enough time and a cultural shift).
  • RelaxedMikki 8 Nov 2017 22:16:22 2,252 posts
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    Yeah. That would be nice.

    I can certainly see the appeal in a safe, middle of the road, "Lib Dems of the 90s" style scandinavian-socialist-deomcracy. Especially compared to the current situation.

    It is not my ideal. But I can see the appeal and would prefer it to the current mess.

    /#Centrist Dad Apologist#

    Edited by RelaxedMikki at 22:21:04 08-11-2017
  • spamdangled 8 Nov 2017 22:22:10 30,976 posts
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    In other news, in Brighton news today it has been revealed that one in 69 people are homeless, and that food bank usage has increased by 62% in 12 months. In the meantime, the council has been accepting kickbacks from housing developers wanting to avoid making affordable housing.

    Guess who runs the local council? Hint: it isn't the tories.

    Edited by spamdangled at 22:23:18 08-11-2017

    Edited by spamdangled at 22:25:19 08-11-2017
  • spamdangled 8 Nov 2017 22:22:36 30,976 posts
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    @RelaxedMikki

    I'm not a Dad :)
  • spamdangled 8 Nov 2017 22:33:18 30,976 posts
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    Lol @ Newsnight. "All eyes were on Priti Patel as she flew back to the UK. The joke was that she was soon to be Duty Free".
  • Blurp 8 Nov 2017 22:34:51 1,042 posts
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    UBI is diet socialism.
  • spamdangled 8 Nov 2017 22:45:22 30,976 posts
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    @Blurp It's a great idea which would solve a lot of issues if it could be made to work. IF being the operative word. It has also so far been untested (I think) which is why a country testing its feasability is very interesting.
  • simpleexplodingmaybe 8 Nov 2017 23:01:29 4,669 posts
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    spamdangled wrote:
    In other news, in Brighton news today it has been revealed that one in 69 people are homeless, and that food bank usage has increased by 62% in 12 months. In the meantime, the council has been accepting kickbacks from housing developers wanting to avoid making affordable housing.

    Guess who runs the local council? Hint: it isn't the tories.

    Edited by spamdangled at 22:23:18 08-11-2017
    Local government is entirely its own weird horrible insulated world. So many safe opposition free councils just let the rot set in regardless of who runs them.

    Newcastle kicked out the Lib Dems for a Labour admistration who were equally rotten. Local politics and developer deals are just suck.
  • spamdangled 8 Nov 2017 23:08:58 30,976 posts
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    It was either Newsnight or Panorama recently who exposed that there are loopholes in the Tories' affordable housing strategy that allows developers to bypass the minimum limits on affordable housing if they find a way to convince a council that it isn't economically viable. And because councils lack experts on housing development, they have a tendency not to scrutinise the excuses given.

    It's why the affordable housing strategy has been an abject failure so far, according to experts.

    Combine that with cuts to local authority budgets, cuts to council tax benefit (many councils now only offer a discount rather than full relief), inflation and cuts to welfare, and it's not surprising that homelessness is at a record high.

    What's more egregious, to me anyway, is that this is going on in a city that holds a reputation (or at least projects one) of being massively socially conscious. Brighton Council even denies that there is a homelessness problem when you literally can't walk down a street without passing around 5 homeless people or be accosted by people begging for money.

    Edited by spamdangled at 23:14:44 08-11-2017
  • Mfolf 8 Nov 2017 23:16:10 1,416 posts
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    Blurp wrote:
    UBI is diet socialism.
    Honestly. Itís shit like this that makes it look like Iíve stumbled onto the_Donald.
  • thelzdking 8 Nov 2017 23:16:26 6,352 posts
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    H1ggyLTD wrote:
    spamdangled wrote:
    @GoatApocalypse You think the Lib Dems are right wing?!?!?!
    There is no centre.

    There's the left, the right, and people on the right who can't admit it to themselves, so tell themselves (and anybody else unfortunate enough to listen to their wails) that they are somewhere around a mythical centre.


    Until they get old, that is, when they can finally come out.
    If you believe this then you are an idiot who understands nothing about politics.
  • simpleexplodingmaybe 8 Nov 2017 23:16:51 4,669 posts
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    I think most councils are so desperate for any investment in their local areas they'll sign any old deal. They probably make huge losses on land sales to property firms too.
  • spamdangled 8 Nov 2017 23:19:47 30,976 posts
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    @simpleexplodingmaybe

    There was a minor scandal in Brigjton a few months back where the council had signed off on letting a company build a luxury apartment complex instead of affordable housing.

    The cost of living here is already stupidly high, and wages here are depressed. It's fast becoming Nu-London.

    I'm one of the lucky ones, as I have a housing association flat after being referred due to domestic violence. But even then I struggle with cost of living.

    Edited by spamdangled at 23:22:20 08-11-2017
  • Armoured_Bear 9 Nov 2017 00:54:26 20,443 posts
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    Really?
    Rent control seems to work in Switzerland and other places.
    What makes you so sure it wouldnít work?
  • simpleexplodingmaybe 9 Nov 2017 01:06:39 4,669 posts
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    The big criticism of any price capping that usually does the rounds is that everyone sticks to the ceiling of the cap so the net effect ends up being mean prices increasing rather than providing price competition across market. But then I've not read much about it so there are probably a bunch of implementation techniques which might try to counter that.
  • spamdangled 9 Nov 2017 01:43:49 30,976 posts
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    @Armoured_Bear

    The uk is much more reliant on the housing market as a source of income than many other countries. It started with thatcher, escalated under blair, and now the national economy is almost beholden to it to the degree that even a minor change to the housing sector causes widespread economic problems. Suddenly introducing rent control could cause a disruption to tax income that could actually lead to more austerity and poverty, particularly under the current govt that is placing the majority of its austerity cuts in a way that disproportiantely affects the poor and has led to increased poverty.

    Ireland sought to overhaul housing policy on a similar scale, and it caused massive issues that it is still trying to sort out today. Christ, the current issues with Stormont are based on a housong scheme.

    Edited by spamdangled at 02:35:23 09-11-2017
  • spamdangled 9 Nov 2017 01:48:54 30,976 posts
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    It doesn't help that the help-to-buy scheme actually inflates the market whilst simultaneously increasing personal debt and reducing the efficacy of deficit reduction. The result is government increasing austerity and people spending less, which results in stagnant economic growth.

    Rent control would help if introduced gradually, but the current laboir proposal would be akin to sticking a pin in a ballon. There would be a sudden massive deflationn in the housing market, an increase in business and personal bankruptcies, and a recession due to widescale mortgage defaults and an increase in welfare spending.

    The only recourse against that would be to borrow more and thus increasing national debt in the long term, ensuring the cycle continues


    Tl;dr: fucking Thatcher started all this by selling off council housing stock.

    Edited by spamdangled at 02:01:40 09-11-2017
  • PazJohnMitch 9 Nov 2017 07:21:43 12,985 posts
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    The wax work of Theresa May is more life like than she is.
  • FWB 9 Nov 2017 08:11:53 54,014 posts
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    I bought through shared ownership other friends through the government loan scheme.

    There are a number of problems. When the gov increased the income earnings cap for affordable housing (they practically doubled it IIRC), developers just wacked the price up - greater demand and buyers who could afford to pay more. Prior to that, they were limited to selling them to those on lower incomes so the prices had to be kept down. My shared ownership was cheaper than what was in the area in the private market. Once the cap went up it jumped up a hell of a lot... fortunately I'd bought it out before then.

    Secondly, the government loan scheme is a percentage loan, so developers know they can charge more as it will all be covered by the gov. But this also increases prices for buyers. In some areas the affordable housing on the loan system is more expensive than private sales.

    Of course the real issue is supply and demand and how the current system is propping up what is already a sick - and only going to get sicker - economy.

    The new right to buy on social housing they want to introduce is only going to make things worse. But the Tories don't care... it's an attempt to bribe the lower classes and secure them as Tory voters. They need to do something cos their voting base is dying off.

    Edited by FWB at 10:44:22 09-11-2017
  • simpleexplodingmaybe 9 Nov 2017 09:42:22 4,669 posts
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    Tory housing policy is like the perfect answer to the wrong question
  • simpleexplodingmaybe 9 Nov 2017 12:17:37 4,669 posts
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    The press regulator says that pretend news website Swawkbox was making stuff up about Grenfell and the Daily Mail was correct in calling him out on it.

    https://www.ipso.co.uk/rulings-and-resolution-statements/ruling/?id=16690-17

    You'd think with all the real injustices in the country that an angry blog would be able to get plenty of factual material to be outraged about instead of going all Alex Jones about things.
  • simpleexplodingmaybe 9 Nov 2017 15:16:32 4,669 posts
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    Patel's replacement is most famous for hitting a huge belly flop from the high dive on that ITV diving show Splash

    A self-satirising government is a thing to behold
  • Blurp 9 Nov 2017 15:27:38 1,042 posts
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    She was on Splash? lol
  • simpleexplodingmaybe 9 Nov 2017 15:34:29 4,669 posts
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    I wouldn't fancy taking this landing

  • brokenkey 9 Nov 2017 15:46:50 9,081 posts
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    simpleexplodingmaybe wrote:
    Patel's replacement is most famous for hitting a huge belly
    Sexual harassment charge right there, in the current climate
  • DocDawg 9 Nov 2017 15:49:58 159 posts
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    simpleexplodingmaybe wrote:
    I wouldn't fancy taking this landing

    LMAO

    That is such a sadly accurate metaphor for everything in this country.

    Crazy that such a minority of Brexiters have completely seized control of government.
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