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  • spamdangled 1 Mar 2013 18:01:05 27,441 posts
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    mcmothercruncher wrote:
    It seems to me that, some less enlightened parts of the Tory party, will be looking to re-toxify the brand in order to see off UKIP.

    It's going to be delightful to watch.
    There was something on BBC News earlier about this - Cameron is stuck between a rock and a hard place. On the one hand, he has pressures shifting him to the left in order to try and appeal to Labour and Lib-Dem voters, but on the other he has UKIP and those within his own party, like Peter Bone, trying to push him more towards the right in order to stave off competition from more right-wing parties.

    I don't envy his position, really.

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  • RedSparrows 1 Mar 2013 18:09:17 24,208 posts
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    UKIP is where the real oldschool Tories are going to stamp their feet and cry foul that... time happens.
  • Khanivor 1 Mar 2013 18:28:30 41,261 posts
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    Be fun to watch people burst blood vessels at the pay rates you'd need to pay executives of any nationalized utilities.

    Seems like it might not be too hard to do for leccie. You could use the nuke stations and renewables for that. Or were the nuke plants fully privatized?
  • spamdangled 1 Mar 2013 18:32:49 27,441 posts
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    I don't think so, but to be honest I'm not too sure. I know the government pays a lot into infrastructure for nuclear energy.

    Heavier investment in nuclear would piss off an awful lot of people though...

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  • Deleted user 1 March 2013 18:37:05
    Taking the civil service as a blueprint for how state owned franchises develop, it would be very difficult to circumvent the greed of the individuals working within; irrespective of what it is.

    Just be replacing one problem for another.

    I think energy is too important though.

    Edited by bitch_tits_zero_nine at 18:38:13 01-03-2013
  • X201 7 Mar 2013 15:56:05 15,741 posts
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    Vicky Pryce (pictured) the former wife of ex-cabinet minister Chris Huhne has been found guilty of perverting the course of justice by taking speeding points on his behalf.

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-21496566
  • spamdangled 7 Mar 2013 15:59:16 27,441 posts
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    Will be interesting to see what sentence she gets.

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  • mcmonkeyplc 8 Mar 2013 15:26:34 39,567 posts
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    This is beautiful

    OBR says austerity does effect short term growth....Duh.

    Come and get it cumslingers!

  • Bremenacht 8 Mar 2013 15:48:02 19,663 posts
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    Haha Cameron takes aim at himself, fires - and hits!

    All Millibean and Balls have to do is shutup for the next two years and they're in.
  • Khanivor 8 Mar 2013 15:49:53 41,261 posts
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    mcmonkeyplc wrote:
    This is beautiful

    OBR says austerity does effect short term growth....Duh.
    Wasn't this fact something that was acknowledged during the election? I'm confused.
  • Dougs 8 Mar 2013 15:51:18 69,496 posts
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    The OBR wasn't established at the time of the election.
  • spamdangled 8 Mar 2013 15:57:17 27,441 posts
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    Khanivor wrote:
    mcmonkeyplc wrote:
    This is beautiful

    OBR says austerity does effect short term growth....Duh.
    Wasn't this fact something that was acknowledged during the election? I'm confused.
    Cameron tried to say yesterday that the OBR has said the austerity measures weren't to blame for the lack of economic growth. They've called him out on it and said he was deliberately misrepresenting them.

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  • Khanivor 8 Mar 2013 15:59:26 41,261 posts
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    I understand that. A stupid piece of politicial rhetoric. But I thought the choice for the election was between doing nothing and some hard times in the short term for better times in the future. I thought the British people were sold on the idea of tightening their belts so they would look sexy when they went to the beach next summer.
  • spamdangled 8 Mar 2013 16:04:38 27,441 posts
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    That was the argument between Labour and the Tories. The difference here was Cameron's attempt to claim that there was independent verification that he was in the right and austerity wasn't causing any harm.

    It's rather embarrassing for Cameron, as it was his government that created the OBR in the first place as a safeguard against governments misrepresenting/lying about the real state of the economy and government policy's impact on it.

    Edited by darkmorgado at 16:07:33 08-03-2013

    Edited by darkmorgado at 16:08:20 08-03-2013

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  • Bremenacht 9 Mar 2013 14:41:38 19,663 posts
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    Paddy Pantsdown was Live on News 24 earlier. He said the following:

    I'm going to let you into a little secret: IT'S BOLLOCKS!
    Good old Vince isn't curbing his lip either: he's in The Guardian today repeating his attack on austerity cuts, again arguing that there should be no holy cows. Pretty sure there'll be a concerted effort now to shut him up before budget day.
  • spamdangled 9 Mar 2013 14:49:21 27,441 posts
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    Lord Oakshot's been at it too.

    Looks like the LD's are going on the offensive against the Tories. Could be signs of Lib-Lab coalition if we get another hung parliament.

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  • Psychotext 9 Mar 2013 17:40:31 55,032 posts
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    Khanivor wrote:
    But I thought the choice for the election was between doing nothing and some hard times in the short term for better times in the future. I thought the British people were sold on the idea of tightening their belts so they would look sexy when they went to the beach next summer.
    Wasn't really about doing nothing. There would have still been cuts, but nothing like what we have seen (which frankly fits more with political ideology than fiscal sense). Anyone who really thought the private sector would take up the slack from public sector cuts would have had to have been demented... especially given many private sector companies rely on government contracts.

    As for choice... you can't really say the British public chose anyone. All you can really say is that they didn't want Labour back in power (nor the Conservatives, but to a lesser extent).

    Edited by Psychotext at 17:41:35 09-03-2013
  • spamdangled 9 Mar 2013 18:13:16 27,441 posts
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    I'll be amazed if Cameron gets re-elected, frankly.

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  • RobTheBuilder 9 Mar 2013 18:18:00 6,521 posts
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    @darkmorgado he's chucking out the ignorant voter big guns though:

    Euro vote
    RBS Shares
    Human right act challenge
  • senso-ji 9 Mar 2013 20:01:19 6,041 posts
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    Ok, this is scary

    The Tories are either desperate to cling onto to power by scrapping the very bottom of the barrel or are starting to show their true colours.
  • cubbymoore 9 Mar 2013 20:16:41 36,504 posts
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    That's not a vote winning issue though. No polling demonstrates that would help them win. Very bizarre. Also, "consider" if they won? That means fuck all to a voter.
  • Moot_Point 9 Mar 2013 20:26:19 4,607 posts
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    Fascism cannot begin whilst the country's citizens have rights to live freely.

    Edited by Moot_Point at 20:31:11 09-03-2013

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    mowgli wrote: I thought the 1 married the .2 and founded Islam?

  • President_Weasel 9 Mar 2013 20:52:45 9,656 posts
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    darkmorgado wrote:
    mcmothercruncher wrote:
    It seems to me that, some less enlightened parts of the Tory party, will be looking to re-toxify the brand in order to see off UKIP.

    It's going to be delightful to watch.
    There was something on BBC News earlier about this - Cameron is stuck between a rock and a hard place. On the one hand, he has pressures shifting him to the left in order to try and appeal to Labour and Lib-Dem voters, but on the other he has UKIP and those within his own party, like Peter Bone, trying to push him more towards the right in order to stave off competition from more right-wing parties.

    I don't envy his position, really.
    If he only had a backbone and any principles of his own he could just stick to them.
  • Bremenacht 9 Mar 2013 22:30:50 19,663 posts
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    senso-ji wrote:
    Ok, this is scary

    The Tories are either desperate to cling onto to power by scrapping the very bottom of the barrel or are starting to show their true colours.
    More sabre rattling.

    Guess which country wrote most of the ECoHR? :D Oh yes! So, we're threatening to leave the treaty we wrote. Pathetic. It seems to be just another symptom of the retreat from rationalism being practiced by our leading parties.
  • spamdangled 10 Mar 2013 10:48:08 27,441 posts
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    The problem isn't Human Rights, it's how they are being interpreted by the courts. The act just needs to be more tightly defined via an amendment. To chuck it out completely is throwing the baby out with the bathwater.

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  • mothercruncher 10 Mar 2013 11:57:43 7,815 posts
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    ... but will play really well with the call a spade a spade types.
  • spamdangled 11 Mar 2013 17:34:11 27,441 posts
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    Huhne sentenced to 8 months in prison for perverting the course of justice (his wife got the same and was described as a manipulative liar, which everyone in the party knew anyway).

    Lord Oakshot has said it's a "cold day for democracy", which seems a bit of a stretch. He deserved his sentence afaic.

    Edited by darkmorgado at 17:35:54 11-03-2013

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  • Psychotext 11 Mar 2013 17:55:12 55,032 posts
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    I can't help thinking that neither would have got sentences like that if they were average joes though... which is odd, because it usually doesn't work that way around.
  • senso-ji 11 Mar 2013 17:57:47 6,041 posts
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    Not sure what Lord Oakshot is whining about; Huhne pleaded guilty.
  • spamdangled 11 Mar 2013 18:09:02 27,441 posts
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    Psychotext wrote:
    I can't help thinking that neither would have got sentences like that if they were average joes though... which is odd, because it usually doesn't work that way around.
    The whole "abuse of power" aspect will have been taken into account. Worse though seems to be Huhne's persistent denial of wrongdoing right until the trial, and then his ex-wife's attempts to get out of it with a load of bullshit about being pushed into it after being recorded saying she wanted her revenge on him.

    Apparently legal costs are going to be recovered as well.

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