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  • Tom_Servo 24 Feb 2013 18:16:00 17,241 posts
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    Unfortunately, Osborne seems a bit on the stubborn side. It feels like no matter what news we receive he'll still say we need to dig in and keep on going with his austerity policies.
  • Dougs 1 Mar 2013 07:44:10 66,588 posts
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    UKIP 2nd in the Eastleigh by election. That depresses me no end. Shoeing for Cameron though, so not all bad!
  • spamdangled 1 Mar 2013 08:18:48 27,269 posts
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    It's annoying. I was hoping the Lib Dems would lose and that Clegg's leadership would be challenged over it.

    /sigh

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  • Chopsen 1 Mar 2013 08:44:43 15,699 posts
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    A fine party member you are.
  • senso-ji 1 Mar 2013 09:04:09 5,789 posts
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    Strange how, now that UKIP are 'on the rise', Farage's rhetorical has gone from accusing Brussels of being a bloated, corrupt organisation overrun with bureaucrats, to scaremongering about immigration and the influx of foreigners...
  • mcmonkeyplc 1 Mar 2013 10:56:17 39,384 posts
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    darkmorgado wrote:
    It's annoying. I was hoping the Lib Dems would lose and that Clegg's leadership would be challenged over it.

    /sigh
    You fuckwits need to start openly attacking your "senior" coalition partners. Take their seats as well. Tear the Tory's apart on both fronts. Left and Right.

    If only.

    Come and get it cumslingers!

  • mcmonkeyplc 1 Mar 2013 10:58:39 39,384 posts
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    The party that needs a leadership challenge is Labour. Dickheads just sitting on their arses.

    Come and get it cumslingers!

  • TheSaint 1 Mar 2013 11:00:41 14,198 posts
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    The audience on Question Time yesterday seemed to be full of people like DM who were Lib Dem supporters but couldn't wait to put the boot into Clegg at every opportunity.

    Eastleigh seems like a strange place.
  • mcmonkeyplc 1 Mar 2013 11:05:26 39,384 posts
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    That is seriously the wrong attitude to take for Lib dems.

    They have a chance to gain even more seats now. They CAN blame the Conservatives for most of what the government is doing. They're the majority in the coalition. The Lib dems need to start pointing out when they oppose things and when they get what they want.

    It'd be a terrible waste to just get rid of Nick Clegg now. He's a great politician in the wrong coalition thanks to Gordon the gopher.

    Come and get it cumslingers!

  • Bremenacht 1 Mar 2013 11:08:52 17,598 posts
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    darkmorgado wrote:
    It's annoying. I was hoping the Lib Dems would lose and that Clegg's leadership would be challenged over it.

    /sigh
    And replaced by who? The LD's have no-one to replace him.
  • Chopsen 1 Mar 2013 11:17:32 15,699 posts
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    mcmonkeyplc wrote:
    That is seriously the wrong attitude to take for Lib dems.

    They have a chance to gain even more seats now. They CAN blame the Conservatives for most of what the government is doing. They're the majority in the coalition. The Lib dems need to start pointing out when they oppose things and when they get what they want.
    The LD's are a minority party in a coalition, so it would be easily to argue they don't have the mandate to push their own agenda instead of the Tory's. Openly criticising the tories would also mean that they would alienate the chances of any support for any of their proposals: they need the tories more than the tories need them, really.

    Nick Clegg is really in an impossible situation, and I've got a lot of respect for the fact that he's sticking with it. It would be very easy for him to stand down/resign. Most of the time, he's faced with a damned if you do damned if you don't kind of situation. There is no magical solution to this and it's delusional to think that there is anyone else there who would have handled things any better.

    LD "supporters" need to get real. They're not in power. The fact that any one of their pet manifesto items never made it is down to the fact they are, as I've said, a minority party in a coalition government. Just what the fuck did you expect to happen?
  • GiarcYekrub 1 Mar 2013 11:17:57 3,658 posts
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    mcmonkeyplc wrote:
    The party that needs a leadership challenge is Labour. Dickheads just sitting on their arses.
    Exactly this, The two Eds has absolutly no charisma, the other brother should of got the job IMO
  • imamazed 1 Mar 2013 11:17:59 5,520 posts
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    Bremenacht wrote:
    darkmorgado wrote:
    It's annoying. I was hoping the Lib Dems would lose and that Clegg's leadership would be challenged over it.

    /sigh
    And replaced by who? The LD's have no-one to replace him.
    RENNARD
  • Psychotext 1 Mar 2013 11:19:49 53,773 posts
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    GiarcYekrub wrote:
    Exactly this, The two Eds has absolutly no charisma, the other brother should of got the job IMO
    Yup.
  • Psychotext 1 Mar 2013 11:20:24 53,773 posts
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    imamazed wrote:
    RENNARD
    That's the female vote sorted... whether they like it or not.
  • nickthegun 1 Mar 2013 11:25:56 58,782 posts
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    It is hilarious that Labour should be in a position to be destroying the tories at every turn, but they decided to vote for the political equivalent of ecosse to run their party.

    Its like the unions were actually trying to sabotage their chances of victory.

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    He totally called it

  • Chopsen 1 Mar 2013 11:31:18 15,699 posts
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    I doubt this was their thinking, but in the long run it may work in their favour.

    Labour where so widely disliked at the run up to the last GE that, depending how badly the Tories fuck up, they could have ended up in the wilderness and be unelectable for a bit. Even having a "good" leader in place now could mean that they still would fail to win the next GE, and being leader for a losing party is not something you can easily recover from if at all.

    Basically, he's cannon fodder.
  • nickthegun 1 Mar 2013 11:39:05 58,782 posts
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    That would be truly devious. 'Let the tories muddle their way through the financial meltdown we caused and then bring david milliband back as leader when everyone is truly sick to the back teeth of them'.

    Its brilliant, frankly.

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    He totally called it

  • mcmonkeyplc 1 Mar 2013 11:51:00 39,384 posts
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    I don't want another 8 fucking years of this!

    Come and get it cumslingers!

  • Bremenacht 1 Mar 2013 15:46:26 17,598 posts
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    Maybe you won't get one. Maybe a tipping point has been reached and a protest vote movement is occurring without anyone (or any party) in particular organising as such. Maybe many people really are fucked off enough not to vote Labour or Tories.
  • mcmonkeyplc 1 Mar 2013 16:03:19 39,384 posts
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    Voting for UKiP is not what I had in mind.

    Come and get it cumslingers!

  • spamdangled 1 Mar 2013 16:41:05 27,269 posts
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    mcmonkeyplc wrote:
    darkmorgado wrote:
    It's annoying. I was hoping the Lib Dems would lose and that Clegg's leadership would be challenged over it.

    /sigh
    You fuckwits need to start openly attacking your "senior" coalition partners. Take their seats as well. Tear the Tory's apart on both fronts. Left and Right.

    If only.
    That's what I would like to see happen - not least because it's hardly as if they are behaving themselves in coalition when it comes to stabbing us in the back.

    We at least are getting our own back to a degree with regards to standing against the boundary changes (not that we ever should have supported them to begin with, but it was part of the coalition agreement so them's the breaks and it's actually in Clegg's personal interest to oppose them). But Clegg doesn't think the boat should be rocked, no matter how hard the Tories are trying to throw us overboard themselves.

    Edited by darkmorgado at 16:41:41 01-03-2013

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  • Bremenacht 1 Mar 2013 17:02:05 17,598 posts
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    mcmonkeyplc wrote:
    Voting for UKiP is not what I had in mind.
    Maybe not, but it works. UKIP seems to be a viable alternative to the Tories. A viable alternative to Labour would now be welcome.
  • spamdangled 1 Mar 2013 17:07:49 27,269 posts
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    Bremenacht wrote:
    mcmonkeyplc wrote:
    Voting for UKiP is not what I had in mind.
    Maybe not, but it works. UKIP seems to be a viable alternative to the Tories. A viable alternative to Labour would now be welcome.
    There was a guy on Question Time last night who was basically saying the same thing (can't remember his name for the life of me now, but he was a film director).

    Then again, he seemed pretty hard-left. He wanted the entire banking system nationalised and a state-planned economy...

    Edited by darkmorgado at 17:08:11 01-03-2013

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  • Bremenacht 1 Mar 2013 17:09:44 17,598 posts
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    Missed it. Actually I didn't miss it: I just don't watch it anymore. Bored of hearing the same old blah blah blah.
  • Bremenacht 1 Mar 2013 17:11:07 17,598 posts
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    Ah - Ken Loach!
  • bitch_tits_zero_nine 1 Mar 2013 17:45:31 6,654 posts
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    Yeah I saw that. Mobilize the Left equivalent to UKIP.
  • bitch_tits_zero_nine 1 Mar 2013 17:51:30 6,654 posts
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    With regards to what he was saying about socialist state owned banks, I don't know why everything has to be black or white, free market or public; why can't we have state owned franchises that operate within a fair free market to act as moderating forces.

    Energy is a basic human right so why can't the public own one of the energy companies which would operate at a reasonable profit, which would hopefully stop the rest of the market taking the piss.

    Dunno.
  • spamdangled 1 Mar 2013 17:56:41 27,269 posts
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    I completely agree with that (re energy).

    There's no reason why a government can't own an energy company whilst still operating within a free market. Of course, it's debatable as to whether or not the civil service can be trusted to run those institutions effectively (I don't see why it couldn't be done as a QUANGO, personally), but I don't see too much evidence to suggest that it would be any worse than the godawful situation we have with them being privately run. And as you said, having one company in each energy market (gas, electricity, water) would act as baseline and prevent the others from taking the piss in order to be competitive, whilst still being able to make a profit.

    It's not like Ofwatt ever seem to do anything about the whole situation, despite all the moaning they make about it.

    Edited by darkmorgado at 17:57:20 01-03-2013

    Edited by darkmorgado at 17:58:03 01-03-2013

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  • mcmothercruncher 1 Mar 2013 17:57:45 6,424 posts
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    It seems to me that, some less enlightened parts of the Tory party, will be looking to re-toxify the brand in order to see off UKIP.

    It's going to be delightful to watch.
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