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  • spamdangled 9 Oct 2012 09:42:34 27,269 posts
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    I would personally couple the value of the home alongside income level, so that people who had inherited their homes but did not necessarily have much in the way of income wouldn't be hit.

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  • LeoliansBro 9 Oct 2012 09:44:33 43,132 posts
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    I would personally leave houses out of it.

    LB, you really are a massive geek.

  • LeoliansBro 9 Oct 2012 09:46:16 43,132 posts
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    Unless you think a downwards pressure on the property market starting at the top is a good thing.

    LB, you really are a massive geek.

  • Moot_Point 11 Oct 2012 21:25:40 3,906 posts
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    Cameron leans on clichés to avert British decline

    The welfare system formed a key part of his speech. The UK spent £90 billion a year on welfare, and a key policy of Cameron’s coalition government has been to reduce this bill come what may.
    Nice article.

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  • spamdangled 11 Oct 2012 22:45:27 27,269 posts
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    The problem with welfare is that the bulk of the cost is made up of housing benefit - which has spiraled out of control due to high rent by private landlords and a lack of council houses.

    If we had a good stock of social housing - both inner-city and in the suburbs - the government could save a lot of money instead of having to pay private landlords exorbitant rents to keep their tenants. This would lead to huge savings on welfare - potentially billions a year. Promises to improve the amount of housing have been made for years, but so far have amounted to very little. And I may be wrong, but all the promises to incentivise massive home-building projects has come with no indication as to how much of those new homes will be used for council housing.

    Edited by darkmorgado at 22:45:45 11-10-2012

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  • Deleted user 11 October 2012 22:55:08
    The bulk of the cost isn't housing benefit. That makes up, as of June 2010, 16.24% of the total welfare bill.
  • spamdangled 11 Oct 2012 23:00:50 27,269 posts
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    Have you got a link for that please dude (bearing in mind the data is now 2 1/2 years old)

    Edited by darkmorgado at 23:01:22 11-10-2012

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  • Deleted user 11 October 2012 23:04:14
    Yes.

    http://www.guardian.co.uk/news/datablog/2010/jun/02/liberal-conservative-coalition-welfare

    I even got it from the liberal's bible so it must be good info.
  • Deleted user 11 October 2012 23:05:41
    Although I hope you're not passively-aggressively suggesting that those figures are likely to have increased by 35%+ of the total welfare budget in the last 2.5 years.
  • spamdangled 11 Oct 2012 23:06:35 27,269 posts
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    Hmmm. Fair enough (assuming that's still accurate).

    It's still the single-most expensive benefit though.

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  • spamdangled 11 Oct 2012 23:07:58 27,269 posts
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    Aargh. wrote:
    Although I hope you're not passively-aggressively suggesting that those figures are likely to have increased by 35%+ of the total welfare budget in the last 2.5 years.
    No, but then unemployment skyrocketed over the last couple of years, and even now with unemployment falling a large amount of those back in work are in part-time work, meaning that while they will not be claiming JSA they will still be eligible for Housing Benefit.

    Would be nice to see some more up-to-date data on the subject.

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  • Moot_Point 11 Oct 2012 23:08:22 3,906 posts
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    Aargh. wrote:
    Although I hope you're not passively-aggressively suggesting that those figures are likely to have increased by 35%+ of the total welfare budget in the last 2.5 years.
    That is a possibility, due to the lack of full time work available to people today. Remember we are in a double dipped recession.

    Edited by Moot_Point at 23:09:06 11-10-2012

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  • Deleted user 11 October 2012 23:12:13
    Yeah, it's rocketed up from 7.7% to 8%.

    Given all the stats are 2 clicks away, why not bother looking at them before making them up?
  • Deleted user 11 October 2012 23:13:41
    darkmorgado wrote:
    Hmmm. Fair enough (assuming that's still accurate).

    It's still the single-most expensive benefit though.
    At 16.24% of the total.
  • faux_carnation 11 Oct 2012 23:24:03 9,039 posts
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    Since the Tories came back into power 93% of new housing benefit claims have come from people in employment, and yet they still bang on about scroungers and fail to acknowledge that it's their own policies of driving down wages and refusing to act on pulling the plug on the ridiculously inflated housing market that is causing the increase.

    It's a complete joke that policy is decided by the need to maintain the value of equity invested in property at the expense of making sure people actually have somewhere to live.
  • Deleted user 11 October 2012 23:34:12
    The total housing benefit bill also doubled between 2007 and 2010 under labour
  • Khanivor 11 Oct 2012 23:35:33 40,349 posts
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    Lots of that was no doubt due to the economy tanking though.
  • spamdangled 11 Oct 2012 23:36:29 27,269 posts
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    And the financial collapse and recession started in 2008, before we finally came out of it in 2010 (IIRC).

    So we don't know if going back into recession has had a similar effect given the lack of current data.

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  • Deleted user 11 October 2012 23:36:43
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  • spamdangled 11 Oct 2012 23:37:29 27,269 posts
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    Fixed

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  • Deleted user 11 October 2012 23:37:57
    Correct. Sorry, I'm not sure what the point you're making is.
  • Moot_Point 11 Oct 2012 23:38:35 3,906 posts
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    Tories love to fudge!

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  • superdelphinus 11 Oct 2012 23:53:01 8,011 posts
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    this is a party conference, anything said or done has little to no correlation to what is actually happening. seems to me he's just been getting the right wing onboard for a bit
  • Clive_Dunn 12 Oct 2012 06:29:34 4,775 posts
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    Bring back council houses.
  • spamdangled 12 Oct 2012 12:49:34 27,269 posts
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    "Plebgate" rumbles on

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  • Deleted user 12 October 2012 13:00:58
    What an incredibly pathetic 'story'.
  • bitch_tits_zero_nine 12 Oct 2012 13:17:54 6,654 posts
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    There surely has to be a mechanism for under 25s who have come from abusive backgrounds to get housing benefit?
  • Bremenacht 12 Oct 2012 13:58:20 17,600 posts
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    Aargh. wrote:
    What an incredibly pathetic 'story'.
    Alone it is, but is sort of feeds into the 'us and them' thing which has been ongoing since George Osbornes 'plan A' was introduced. It also serves to undermine Camerons weak 'we're all in this together' line.

    I'll all for seeing arrogant, nasty cunts pushed off the pedestals they work so hard to climb onto, so I hope this runs and pushes this particular cunt off his prize pedestal.
  • Deleted user 12 October 2012 14:01:48
    If he gets sacked for that then it'll just confirm what a joke politics and the media are.
  • rudedudejude 12 Oct 2012 14:32:48 2,148 posts
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    Sure get annoyed at the stupid story, but it's the shitty media outlets that are choosing to give it so much exposure for no reason at all. God knows why or even what agenda they are following by giving non-stories that get people annoyed about politicians so much airtime.
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