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  • monkman76 27 Feb 2012 12:23:42 4,287 posts
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  • monkman76 27 Feb 2012 12:24:53 4,287 posts
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    skuzzbag wrote:
    I got a 5N a few days ago and first impressions based upon some around the house shots are that it's a keeper for me. The only thing I noticed wasn't as good as other cameras I've used recently (40D, XZ-1, X10) is that the auto-focus indoors in dim light isn't too great. The manual focus is very good though so this makes up for that.

    Image quality even with the kit 18-55 is pretty stunning. However it is an expensive camera with a crop sensor so you'd expect that. Not what I'd call a compact with the kit lens but light and easily stored.

    I was worried that it'd be slow to use but so far it's quick to access settings once you configure the buttons, focus time and shot time are fast enough to not get in the way.

    I'll have to get an adapter for some vintage lenses now I think.
    It's an amazing camera with some easily-worked-around quirks, IMO. So good that I got rid of my D7000 (same sensor, video not as good, way bigger and heavier). I did replace that with a used D700 though :D

    edit - also yes, I got mine with the bog-standard 18-55 as it was a much better deal than body-only, rather than any great desire for a slow zoom - but fook me is it sharp, took me by surprise. OSS very good too.

    /infomercial over

    Edited by monkman76 at 12:27:46 27-02-2012
  • Deleted user 27 February 2012 14:50:47
    Ha, same here: I didn't touch the 18-55 since "it was shit" according to the wise net mentality. Figured I'd sell it for nada on Ebay eventually.

    Then I used it in a few of those boring lens sharpness tests next to such glass as Zeiss primes and Nikkors 24-70 (which beats everything including primes BTW). It did more than well so it's a keeper. How about these tests at 35mm?

    http://dl.dropbox.com/u/2505528/img/35mmCenZuikoNikkorContaxSony.png
    http://dl.dropbox.com/u/2505528/img/35mmCorZuikoNikkorContaxSony.png
  • monkman76 27 Feb 2012 15:13:09 4,287 posts
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    Wow that's impressively geeky :) How do you get it all on one file like that, is that a Lightroom thing?
  • Deleted user 27 February 2012 15:20:28
    That's a Photoshop thing, once you have all the crops prepared like that it's easy.

    Getting them identical is a Lightroom job though, pretty easy since I learned that you can export files based on the metadata keywords entered. So each individual crop is called smth like zeiss_f56_center.PNG and the like. LR is very versatile. :)

    Geeky indeed, I've promised myself to stop pixel peeping now that the equipment is "good enough" (ie more than I'll ever need).
  • Deleted user 28 February 2012 23:38:27
    is there a micro four thirds thread? does anyone have the G3 and where's generally the cheapest online for camera kit?
  • mal 28 Feb 2012 23:46:22 22,578 posts
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    This seems to be the nearest thing to a CSC thread. I occasionally try to bring it back to the topic of compact backup cams, but I gather it'd be better to rename this and make another should someone want to natter about compact backup cams any more.

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  • monkman76 29 Feb 2012 21:29:39 4,287 posts
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    Well, to many a CSC / mirrorless camera *is* a compact backup camera. My NEX-5N is my compact backup to my DSLR. :p
  • Deleted user 10 March 2012 16:39:40
    mal, let's ask a mod to change the name of the thread. What should we call it? :)

    I'm going to put the 5N to a proper test next week: taking it to Dubai for a 6 days thing. Architecture, people, desert, night shots - loads of stuff to shoot! Will take with me the 18-55 (again, wonderful lens), the Voigtländer 35/1.4 for "street" and low light stuff and the CZ Planar 90/2.8 as a short tele lens. Should have had a longer zoom but I think I'm covered.
  • PrivateFloyd 11 Mar 2012 23:37:44 4,135 posts
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    Anyone here got any experience with the Olympus 45mm f1.8?

    General reviews quite positive, gonna splurge on one tomorrow for my PEN i think,

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  • TheRealBadabing 12 Mar 2012 00:24:12 1,314 posts
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    IT.

    IS.

    AWESOME.

    That is all.

    Edit: Actually, hang on. "Generally reviews quite positive"? I have yet to see a review that doesn't sing it's praises. Apart from one or two idiots that expect the same build quality as the 12mm at a third of the price. Just buy it, it is the definition of a no-brainer for m4/3.

    Edited by TheRealBadabing at 00:27:56 12-03-2012
  • Nth 12 Mar 2012 07:21:50 3,121 posts
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    PrivateFloyd wrote:
    Anyone here got any experience with the Olympus 45mm f1.8?

    General reviews quite positive, gonna splurge on one tomorrow for my PEN i think,
    It's very very good. But as you all suspected it's not my focal length so I just sold it after 6 weeks :D
  • monkman76 12 Mar 2012 13:26:27 4,287 posts
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    Haha :)
  • PrivateFloyd 12 Mar 2012 18:25:38 4,135 posts
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    Cheers boys.

    Ordered. Canny wait!!

    My baby boy was born last week, i was mucking around with an old Canon FD 50mm prime on my PEN and managed to get these photos of him.

    Quite difficult manually focusing on a bobble headed 5 day old baby but i am obviously quite proud of them!!

    Edited by PrivateFloyd at 18:25:51 12-03-2012

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  • mal 12 Mar 2012 21:24:08 22,578 posts
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    Heh, it'll only get harder with toddlers. Primes are generally used a bit tighter in those, relying on the tight focal lengths wide open to select an element to focus on. Although with toddlers you often want to focus on what they're up to, so you end up pulling back. 45mm can still be a useful focal length of that, although you have to choose if you want to shoot open or stopped down (though you often don't get the chance if you're shooting indoors in poor light).

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  • monkman76 13 Mar 2012 16:46:43 4,287 posts
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    PrivateFloyd wrote:
    Cheers boys.

    Ordered. Canny wait!!

    My baby boy was born last week, i was mucking around with an old Canon FD 50mm prime on my PEN and managed to get these photos of him.

    Quite difficult manually focusing on a bobble headed 5 day old baby but i am obviously quite proud of them!!
    Very cute! Like the b+w one and especially the one where he's looking straight at you.

    I've got my first due, actually OVERdue - come on little person!
  • Deleted user 18 March 2012 14:24:25
    Some results from the UAE trip, very happy with the camera. Most stuff here shot with the kit lens:
    http://www.flickr.com/photos/ekeroil/sets/72157629246319646/
  • monkman76 19 Mar 2012 17:07:15 4,287 posts
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    Brief quite interesting series of duels between various mirrorless cameras as seen by Thom Hogan:

    http://www.sansmirror.com/newsviews/which-camera.html

    He much prefers the E-M5 over the X-Pro1 for example.
  • grey_matters 3 Apr 2012 22:53:12 3,763 posts
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    This might be a bit outside the usual talking points of this thread but what do you knowledgeable people think about the Nokia 808 PureView? There are some samples here which look impressive to me (but are posted on a somewhat biased site). It's seems as if this will easily have the best phone camera we have seen so far and it looks to be better than many point-and-shoots but I'd like to know what you think.
  • mal 4 Apr 2012 00:16:15 22,578 posts
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    It's definitely a neat response to the size contraints of a phone body, and benefits from having a bigger sensor than any compact other than the Canon G1X. In theory given it by default produces 5MP images off it by merging actual sensor sites means it should outperform compacts in imperfect lighting conditions, but only towards its widest zoom setting where it uses the whole sensor, and unless it has completely perfect microlenses on its sensor, the reality will fall somewhat short of the theory. The way it acheives zoom by altering the size of its sensor makes my head spin as it should mean the aperture can stay constant. This might actually do okay in terms of selective focus as it will have to have a reasonably long lens, at least in comparison to compacts and can afford to have a decently open aperture. Maybe that's the secret in how image noise doesn't get immediately out of hand as soon as you zoom in and end up using smaller and smaller sensor sites.

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  • grey_matters 4 Apr 2012 01:30:26 3,763 posts
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    Cheers mal. I was thinking along similar (if much less informed) lines myself. It'll be interesting when some in depth reviews of the launch product come out.

    Edited by grey_matters at 01:32:23 04-04-2012
  • grey_matters 4 Apr 2012 01:31:00 3,763 posts
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  • Lukus 8 Apr 2012 23:42:21 19,116 posts
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    Right, I've decided... I want a Fuji X Pro 1. Can someone lend me 1500 quid please?

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  • Nth 9 Apr 2012 08:52:55 3,121 posts
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    You don't want a lens with it then? ;)
  • Lukus 9 Apr 2012 11:10:22 19,116 posts
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    Haha, nah, straight into the sensor like God intended, none of that stupid glass nonsense.

    In all likelihood I'm going to wait until it's sub-a thousand (or near to that) and I'm not so broke.

    Edited by Lukus at 12:05:29 09-04-2012

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  • skuzzbag 9 Apr 2012 12:00:32 5,648 posts
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    Do what all the nex users are doing and attach cheapo legacy lenses.

    \strokes frankly piss-poor CCTV lens that cost £30
  • Deleted user 9 April 2012 19:11:55
    Using a C-mount lens with the NEX sensors is a crime against humanity! :)
  • mattdm 18 May 2012 00:50:57 1 posts
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    valli wrote:
    If bokeh is important, I'd argue f/1.8 projected on a small sensor is the equivalent of f/4 or even smaller on a APS-C sensor. Not sure of the mathematics behind this (all that "circle of confusion" talk is... confusing) but I know for a fact that f/4 on medium format looks like f/2 on 35mm.
    You're right. In fact, you can roughly multiply the crop factor by the f-stop to get the equivalence for depth of field (assuming prints of the same size from both cameras). So, with a crop factor of 5.6×, a f/1.8 lens is like an f/10 lens on full-frame or f/6.7 on APS-C. This is why Pentax include a "fake bokeh" processing effect in the camera — like any small-sensor camera, it's hard to do it for real.
  • mal 18 May 2012 02:01:46 22,578 posts
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    It's exactly the multiple of the crop factor you need, if I understand the maths properly - or at least it is if you're using equivalent focal lengths. My current CSC has a wide-angle of 28mm equivalent which is actually 4.9mm - which would have to be a fish-eye on a 35mm camera, I assume. But you get exactly the bokeh you'd get on a rectilinear 4.9mm lens on a 35mm camera should such a thing exist.

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  • Deleted user 19 May 2012 11:36:55
    ...ie no bokeh aka infinite focus depth.

    Actually, Nikkor did a 6mm lens for full format back in 71 :D Not only is it extremly wide but the crazed engineers made it at f/2.8! Also, check out the field of view in the specs and prepare for O_O

    http://www.mir.com.my/rb/photography/companies/nikon/nikkoresources/fisheyes/6mmf28.htm
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