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  • nickthegun 27 Feb 2013 09:30:36 67,635 posts
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    He would walk into any team in the world. I cant see why you wouldnt get top, top, triffic dollar for him.

    Barring an ACL or something like that, obviously.

    And, as an aside, hes the kind of player who you dont mind being paid stupid money as hes an incredibly rare commodity.
  • The-Bodybuilder 27 Feb 2013 09:35:59 16,146 posts
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    How is Modric doing? I hear good things. :-)
  • Commander-Keen 27 Feb 2013 09:49:55 915 posts
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    The-Bodybuilder wrote:
    How is Modric doing? I hear good things. :-)
    That bench has never been warmer.

    Annoyingly, he'll probably end up somewhere like Chelsea for 15million in a season or two.
  • nickthegun 27 Feb 2013 09:51:35 67,635 posts
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    Nah. Hes got 'Far East' written all over him. Or maybe some corrupt eastern bloc money laundering operation.
  • Commander-Keen 27 Feb 2013 09:59:22 915 posts
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    nickthegun wrote:
    Nah. Hes got 'Far East' written all over him. Or maybe some corrupt eastern bloc money laundering operation.
    ....so Chelsea it is then.
  • kentmonkey 27 Feb 2013 12:12:52 21,746 posts
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    Brendan Rodgers has been interviewed about Raheem Sterling and his lack of appearances recently and blames it on mental and physical fatigue. Which is understandable really.

    The interview is on the BBC and he sounds quite reasonable about it (apart from when he's asking himself rhetorical questions) but then there's this bit...
    "This is a kid we're talking about, so we have to take a wee step back," said the Northern Irishman.
    I'm not one of the 'PC bandwagon' people but...in what possible way is his nationality of any relevance to the interview or that quote? Would they have said that about an 'Englishman'? I just can't see why his nationality has any importance, and just seems like, yet again, really sloppy journalism on the part of the BBC.

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    Edited by kentmonkey at 12:13:58 27-02-2013
  • reddevil93 27 Feb 2013 12:14:49 12,993 posts
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    Kill it with fire
  • nickthegun 27 Feb 2013 12:15:33 67,635 posts
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    Its standard reporting. If they have called him 'Rodgers' once, they will generally either call him 'the liverpool manager', 'the northern irishman' or 'the comedy brent-alike' the second time they refer to him to avoid repetition.

    Dont be so sensitive.
  • Deleted user 27 February 2013 12:16:19
    It's fairly standard journalistic technique when dealing with reported speech to be honest. They might not say "Englishman" but they may well describe someone on a more regional basis like YorKshire or Devonian or something.

    It's a bit trite but I don't really see how it's sloppy.
  • kentmonkey 27 Feb 2013 12:17:35 21,746 posts
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    It's not about being sensitive. At what point does it sound 'sensitive'? It's about it having absolutely no relevance to the subject matter at hand. And it's not 'standard reporting'. At all. Calling him the Liverpool manager would be, as that has relevance, or the 'former Swansea manager' would have some kind of relevance. Or if he was talking about the national game it could have some relevance. But in this context it just doesn't.
  • nickthegun 27 Feb 2013 12:18:35 67,635 posts
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    kentmonkey wrote:
    It's not about being sensitive. At what point does it sound 'sensitive'?
    At this point:

    I'm not one of the 'PC bandwagon' people but...in what possible way is his nationality of any relevance to the interview or that quote? Would they have said that about an 'Englishman'? I just can't see why his nationality has any importance, and just seems like, yet again, really sloppy journalism on the part of the BBC.
  • TheSaint 27 Feb 2013 12:19:56 16,616 posts
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    Well if you didn't know where he was from then mentioning his nationality after the quote lets you imagine how he might have sounded saying it.
  • nickthegun 27 Feb 2013 12:20:33 67,635 posts
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    Since you bring swansea up, I bet at least 80% of the match reports for this weekend refer to Laudrup as some variation of 'The Dane' at some point.
  • nickthegun 27 Feb 2013 12:22:56 67,635 posts
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    Hah:

    http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2013/feb/25/michael-laudrup-swansea-city-real-madrid
  • imamazed 27 Feb 2013 12:24:10 6,295 posts
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    nickthegun wrote:
    Since you bring swansea up, I bet at least 80% of the match reports for this weekend refer to Laudrup as some variation of 'The Dane' at some point.
    As a somewhat unrelated note, there are players that are seldom mentioned without their first name. Petr Cech comes to mind.
  • kentmonkey 27 Feb 2013 12:24:17 21,746 posts
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    That's not meant to be sensitive in the slightest. I'm not offended, I just can't see the point. I even set it up by saying 'I'm not one of the PC bandwagon people' to hopefully add some context.

    Using your example, of having to refer to him as something different each time they mention him, doesn't make sense. Otherwise if the article went on long enough, what do they use. His address? 'The five feet 11 inch man'. 'Brendan, who has a mother called Christina'. You don't have to refer to somebody as something slightly different each time.

    Actually if you've written it well you don't even need to keep referring to who is being quoted, as the first couple of times, if they're the sole reference of the quotes, set's the article up and then you don't need to spoonfeed the reader as to who it is each time. It's only when multiple people are being interviewed that you need to start describing exactly who is saying what.
  • Deleted user 27 February 2013 12:25:42
    I really think it's pretty standard, has some use in terms of painting a picture, and does no harm at all. Really not sure what the issue is here.
  • kentmonkey 27 Feb 2013 12:27:19 21,746 posts
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    nickthegun, the Derby County supporter wrote:
    Hah:

    http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2013/feb/25/michael-laudrup-swansea-city-real-madrid
    But 'Dane' there adds context i feel. Otherwise someone reading it might think he wants to return to Spain as it's his place of birth. Or have some relevance. Like Cesc and returning to Barca/Spain.
  • kentmonkey 27 Feb 2013 12:40:48 21,746 posts
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    @Deckard1 :o)
  • nickthegun 27 Feb 2013 12:43:11 67,635 posts
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    kentmonkey wrote:
    nickthegun, the Derby County supporter wrote:
    Hah:

    http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2013/feb/25/michael-laudrup-swansea-city-real-madrid
    But 'Dane' there adds context i feel. Otherwise someone reading it might think he wants to return to Spain as it's his place of birth. Or have some relevance. Like Cesc and returning to Barca/Spain.
    The thing you added after my name would be the thing used in the second reference to me. A reporter would unlikely waste it the first time out of the gate.
  • Deleted user 27 February 2013 12:45:22
    Anyway, regarding the actual topic of Sterling losing his "zip", I wonder how much it's to do with his initial impact being more about nobody knowing who he is. It's often the way with pacey players. Once people know they're quick, they allow for it.
  • binky Moderator 27 Feb 2013 13:03:08 10,570 posts
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    @kentmonkey Every newspaper article I've ever read (probably) will contain an age. I find it very off.

    "Kentmonkey, 34, said on Wednesday...."
  • kentmonkey 27 Feb 2013 13:04:21 21,746 posts
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    If you'd have got my age right then I would have been very concerned! :o)
  • Youthist 27 Feb 2013 13:18:11 11,689 posts
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    Vince Hilaire > Tony Daley > Sterling > Wilfried Zaha
  • kentmonkey 27 Feb 2013 13:47:12 21,746 posts
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    Youthist wrote:
    Ruel Fox > Vince Hilaire > Tony Daley > Sterling > Wilfried Zaha
    Fixed.
  • The-Bodybuilder 27 Feb 2013 16:24:18 16,146 posts
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    Commander Keen wrote:
    nickthegun wrote:
    Nah. Hes got 'Far East' written all over him. Or maybe some corrupt eastern bloc money laundering operation.
    ....so Chelsea it is then.
    Way too easy.
  • The-Bodybuilder 27 Feb 2013 16:29:06 16,146 posts
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    kalel wrote:
    Anyway, regarding the actual topic of Sterling losing his "zip", I wonder how much it's to do with his initial impact being more about nobody knowing who he is. It's often the way with pacey players. Once people know they're quick, they allow for it.
    Like Ox-Tail Chambersoup?
  • spindle9988 27 Feb 2013 16:31:01 4,283 posts
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    I think its a good time to rest sterling, plus I dont think he is an amazing player so the initial impact has died down one we all realised he is just super quick. I reckon Assaidi (spelling maybe) looks a great little find in the games I have seen him play.

    said the south londoner with a cheeky smile
  • Mr_Sleep 27 Feb 2013 16:46:28 20,138 posts
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    I tend to agree that Sterling seems to have had that initial impact that pace based players so often do. I suspect that Liverpool's current method of play doesn't exactly help him either. Downing also seems to be showing promise and indeed, what I've seen of Assaidi seems to suggest he could be a better option.

    Said the disenfranchised Welshman who just fell down his stairs...again.
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