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  • mikew1985 30 Jan 2014 19:16:14 13,043 posts
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    xuiton wrote:
    @mikew1985 it works toways. you can't say everyone is on 150k a week then ask for proof when we say bullshit.

    btw google search carlos tevez bank statment. you will see he was on no where near that.
    I never floated anyone's wages or even waded into that stuff. You're just clearly bullshitting.
  • mikew1985 30 Jan 2014 19:17:17 13,043 posts
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    oceanmotion wrote:
    alexm wrote:
    @oceanmotion Nah, the main sponsorship deals like the Etihad one actually look under market value if anything especially compared to what other clubs are now getting in similar deals.

    Also I don't think you quite understand the concept of 'market value'. You have to remember City are trying to compete with Bayern, Barca and Real, not just their Premiership rivals.In that context our wagebills and transfer fees are pretty much where they need to be and recent projections shows that revenue is well on its way too.
    Quite the premium.

    http://www.theguardian.com/football/2011/jul/08/manchester-city-deal-etihad-airways
    Lol. Totally in line with market value :D
  • alexm 30 Jan 2014 19:18:04 286 posts
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    @oceanmotion Look at when that was written and then compare it to deals being lined up for other clubs in 2013 and it is clear that the Guardian jumped the gun on that one.
  • xuiton 30 Jan 2014 19:18:52 297 posts
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    mikew1985 wrote:
    alexm wrote:
    @oceanmotion Nah, the main sponsorship deals like the Etihad one actually look under market value if anything especially compared to what other clubs are now getting in similar deals.

    Also I don't think you quite understand the concept of 'market value'. You have to remember City are trying to compete with Bayern, Barca and Real, not just their Premiership rivals.In that context our wagebills and transfer fees are pretty much where they need to be and recent projections shows that revenue is well on its way too.
    Because other clubs have larger fan bases and a lot more genuine revenue.

    Cities fan base is relatively tiny and they could not fairly command the same market value as arsenal or united for example.
    really because city are now the second in the PL for generating revenue.

    lol genuine revenue. the club has done more than buy players, they have heavily invested in marketing it as well. unlike chelsea who have had just as much money but all they have done is just spend on players.

    how is 40 million a year even that bad? arsenal just got a sponsorship from a sports company for 30 million a year...

    Edited by xuiton at 19:20:09 30-01-2014
  • RedSparrows 30 Jan 2014 19:21:59 24,254 posts
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    Man City are taking their place at top table, but they got there by wiping their ass with money, rather than merely blowing their nose with it.

    What an awesomely wank analogy, I'm so proud.]

    p.s. the revenues et al being similar to other clubs isn't the issue for most people, one suspects. City wouldn't be anywhere near anything like this (projected) success without a fucking massive bit of doping. End of.

    Edited by RedSparrows at 19:23:00 30-01-2014
  • vijay_UK 30 Jan 2014 19:34:52 2,374 posts
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    Punctum wrote:
    Apart from Dempsey, who else did Spurs 'steal' from Liverpool's shortlist?
    Willian was interesting Liverpool before Tottenham came in for him, and then Chelsea nabbed him.
  • alexm 30 Jan 2014 19:36:25 286 posts
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    By 'doping' if you mean a massive injection of cash over a sustained period then you're right we wouldn't be ...a bit like every other club who has had sustained success since the 50s. But as I said, all signs point to us coming into full compliance with FFP on schedule so what will the detractors say then.

    The bitterness and snobbery on this thread as the realisation dawns that City are likely to be a major presence for the forseeable future is pathetic. I'm still waiting for someone to just come out with it and admit they think we are a poxy little Northern club who they're jealous of and wish we were back to being a nice comedy team who got battered every week :)
  • Deleted user 30 January 2014 19:42:38
    vijay_UK wrote:
    Punctum wrote:
    Apart from Dempsey, who else did Spurs 'steal' from Liverpool's shortlist?
    Willian was interesting Liverpool before Tottenham came in for him, and then Chelsea nabbed him.
    It's so laughable that Liverpool fans have got a complex about this. Utterly ridiculous.
  • SolidSCB 30 Jan 2014 19:47:07 7,379 posts
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    Liverpool fans have got a complex about everything. It's their 'thing'.
  • Youthist 30 Jan 2014 19:50:05 10,083 posts
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    @alexm

    I don't mind city but you on the other hand sound like a right cunt! 😃

    "Good chess players think one move ahead. Great chess players think two or three moves ahead."

  • alexm 30 Jan 2014 19:50:47 286 posts
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    @Youthist Haha, that's alright then.
  • xuiton 30 Jan 2014 20:27:28 297 posts
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    united had fuck all success for years until the teams broke away and created the premier league. Oh look they started winning when the league and foreign money started pouring in.

    while united brought through a FEW players, they have been buying the league just like chelsea and city get accused of. Just it wasn't a big deal back then. they bought players not just from europe but a lot from their rivals as well and while they were stealing other rival players, they were also setting transfer records left right and centre.

    if it weren't for chelsea and now city we would have a very one sided boring league, even worse then the two horsed spanish league. united generate the most money no argument there, how else can anyone compete with that. its nice saying bring players through, but nobody could challenge them til money was spent especially once arsenal dropped off the radar.

    some teams can't compete with city's spending, but until the money came along, no one could realistically compete with united either. unless you want to carry on believing all their players are home grown or sign for free.
  • RedSparrows 30 Jan 2014 20:44:03 24,254 posts
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    Of course teams could realistically compete - Blackburn, Chelsea and Arsenal all beat them to it, and Newcastle and Liverpool almost did; money helped, but Alex Ferguson was priceless.
  • Latin 30 Jan 2014 20:44:08 3,826 posts
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    To be fair, the league would be boring. I'm a Utd fan and had Chelsea not got their billions it would have been a piss take for us after Arsenal built their stadium and financially handicapped themselves.

    At least now it's exciting. Fair enough, we're shit this season but had we had a decent manager the league could be a 4 horse race.
  • TheSaint 30 Jan 2014 20:46:50 14,833 posts
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    We should have had a boring one horse league ever since City were taken over. It's been generous of them to keep appointing shit managers to keep things interesting.
  • jamievilla 30 Jan 2014 20:52:38 598 posts
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    @xuiton my word you're tiresome.
  • Dougs 30 Jan 2014 20:56:37 69,530 posts
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    Arsenal only dropped off the radar when Abramovic turned up and we moved stadiums in order to generate the sort of revenue needed to compete with Utd, you know paid for with a sustainable plan. Which finally seems to be paying off. Except the goalposts have moved again. And that's fine but if you can't see the difference then there's no point going round in circles.
  • xuiton 30 Jan 2014 20:59:44 297 posts
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    @RedSparrows .... fuck me.

    are you joking?

    I said arsenal could compete til they dropped off the radar. Blackburn had money to compete with and if it were not for chelsea's billions they would not have been able to compete and win it. fact is, chelsea, and blackburn would not ahve won if it were not for the money. Almost did win it, is different from actually winning. Someone has to come second even without money....

    at the least the rag below you has the grace to admit it. :)

    arials101 wrote:
    @xuiton Your position seems to be that people should be grateful that a dominant team that earned their wealth through on pitch success has been replaced by an even more dominant team that didn't earn their even vaster wealth. Funnily enough I am not grateful for that.

    And if Chelsea and City didn't exist our boring, one sided, league would currently have Arsenal, Liverpool, Everton and Tottenham finishing ahead of Manchester United.
    united became successful due to the massive income from the premier league and overseas expansion. that allowed them to be successful on the pitch and then proceed to dominate for years. I don't think anyone should be grateful for city but city shouldn't be 'hated' just for competing in the only realistic way left.

    earned their wealth through success on the pitch plz.... why didn't pool have the same riches then? they were more successful up until the PL creation.

    Edited by xuiton at 21:06:58 30-01-2014
  • thedaveeyres 30 Jan 2014 21:09:44 11,596 posts
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    If you'd done your due diligence and read through the thread from the beginning you'd know that we've done this shit to death over 170-odd thousand posts.

    If I were you I'd get cracking. See you in a month.

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  • jamievilla 30 Jan 2014 21:11:54 598 posts
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    @thedaveeyres exactly, it's fucking dull. Plus the use of phrases like 'hoover lips' and 'rags' make him sound like a child.
  • Dougs 30 Jan 2014 21:18:37 69,530 posts
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    Proper and old school don't you know. There was someone on Twitter cock-a-hoop that City were charging peanuts for tickets compared to Arsenal, seemingly oblivious to the glaringly obvious reasons why that is.
  • xuiton 30 Jan 2014 21:26:34 297 posts
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    You're right considering the size of the thread it has been done before and I'm sorry. Just as soon as I posted in here, a bunch of you jumped down my throat for the audacity to even post in the thread or whining at me for the sake of it, yourself included.
  • robc84 30 Jan 2014 21:29:57 6,086 posts
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    @xuiton

    To be fair, I think it's the way you entered the thread all guns blazing, claiming bias against city etc that rubbed everyone up the wrong way.
  • SolidSCB 30 Jan 2014 22:03:18 7,379 posts
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    City can knob right off. It isn't their fans' fault they've been given infinite backing and you can't begrudge them the right to celebrate their victories or whatever, but there's no doubt they've utterly broken football as we know it in this country. There's no point trying to compare their situation to anyone else from the past, because there is absolutely no situation to liken it to. Even Chelsea have pocket change in comparison, no one has ever had the advantage they enjoy. The long term effects are yet to be seen too.
  • King_Edward 30 Jan 2014 22:06:54 11,471 posts
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    ^ Total BS. It's an advantage that the rich have always had over the poor.
  • Subquest 30 Jan 2014 22:09:06 328 posts
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    There's lots of waste in life. History won't look back on any of us too kindly, we're all culpable in our waste of resources. So perhaps we shouldn't judge Abramovich and the Saudis for taking their oil profits, hundreds and hundreds of millions of pounds, and flushing them away at their respective playthings. Fans of those clubs might as well enjoy it as best they can, it's not like they have any influence either way.
  • mcmonkeyplc 30 Jan 2014 22:14:15 39,569 posts
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    Where the fuck did all these city fans suddenly spawn from?!

    Come and get it cumslingers!

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